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Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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It's actually better to do this on the device. If you can give children something that is basically whilelisted access then it reduces the need to try to filter the open web.

it being mandated however is an absolute assault on freedom. will linux become outlawed over this?

It’s just saying “include the equivalent of an adblocker” and allow parents to enable it.

Frankly seems easier to solve to me than adblocking, and that’s already a solved problem.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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post #48

One way to bring in the year of the Linux desktop

Quite the opposite. From the description in the article it will make Linux illegal unless distros and app stores comply with German law. It may ban installation of software from outside locked down app stores.

DEs like KDE already have a kiosk mode. Just add an adblocker to it, for content that’s not child friendly. Done.

Zero risk to Linux here.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the failing economies definitely is orders of magnitudes more important, the problem of hyper stimulants is definitely worth giving some attention. The effects of porn, SoMe, ultra processed foods, etc. Likely also affect the real economies in ways wondo not yet fully grasp.

> the problem of hyper stimulants is definitely worth giving some attention True, so we should start by not having every single computing device/service crave for attention, and not surrender our society's social fabric to Meta. Enforcing the GDPR would fix it overnight by making it not profitable, but instead we're relaxing it and doubling down.

And blaming porn of all things..

Tbf, it's an establish pattern in Germany at this point. I mean you can't even sell games with explicit content in Germany, categorically... Though it's only selectively enforced. So you can still buy games like Baldurs gate or GTA, but some need to censor things etc.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

#114
post #33

The upside: this will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

Until Linux is going to be forced into the same regulation. And then until new laws criminalize attempts to bypass the "porn filter" no matter what you use.

But where’s the problem? This is opt in. KDE already has a kiosk mode for kids. Add a content filter aka adblocker for porn, done.

I don’t understand the outrage here. Many parents who are technically illiterate would like to be able to leave their 10yo alone with a computer without having to worry.

Rn the only option for that is nintendo/playstation/xbox. Smartphones aren’t.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine society is able to tackle multiple problems all at once.. Seems like fiction for some..

But they don't fix multiple problems all at once. Most of the time they don't even fix one at a time. And often, as I think is the case here, they pretend they are fixing a problem when really they are doing something else. In this case its the usual 'save the children' wrapping on more rigid control and surveillance of peoples use of computers and the internet.

> But they don't fix multiple problems all at once.

No, they do, they do it the whole time. Those might not the problems you care about, and not all attempts might be successful, but each new or changed law/regulation is fixing something. And there are many new of them over the year.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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I’m gonna go on a limb here and say that I like this draft. It’s an opt-in measure for parents with a one-click solution. Think ad blocker but for adult content. Parents have to actively enable it. It’s on the device itself, not in the internet backbone. No censorship happening; government doesn’t even know whether parents use it. It’s a good solution.

Yeah, this is the right direction for moderation features in general assuming it's implemented offline on-device and works without contacting a remote server. It eliminates excuses to implement age verification online. And it's correct in principle: each parent should be able to decide what their child sees, but not what anyone else's child sees. Parenting a child is the responsibility of that child's parents, but it…

We have mandates for all kinds of things, like movie ratings etc. I think it’s appropriate here. It just makes it easy.

I don’t understand the pushback from tech companies either; all OSes already have a kiosk mode (incl the major Linux DEs). Should be very low effort to implement.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

#117

I’m gonna go on a limb here and say that I like this draft. It’s an opt-in measure for parents with a one-click solution. Think ad blocker but for adult content. Parents have to actively enable it. It’s on the device itself, not in the internet backbone. No censorship happening; government doesn’t even know whether parents use it. It’s a good solution.

Step 1. Force companies to develop the censorship/surveillant technology by passing a law to make it available. Claim its to 'save the children' and/or 'fight terrorism', whichever threat is currently the most scary.

Step 2. Make the use of the technology optional, and fairly non-intrusive to ease acceptance and normalization.

Step 3. Make the technology mandatory for certain groups/areas like all schools or certain businesses. Or for people who work for them. Also incremental changes are applied which makes the system a bit more restrictive, and bit more surveillant.

Step 4. Make the technology mandatory for everyone (except politicians and certain private persons like CEOs of big corps)

Step 5. Continue incremental changes until the system completely transfers all real power and control of the system from the individual to the corporation/state.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't matter. If you can't find a way to do so, then it becomes illegal to distribute or use Arch Linux.

As an American I will happily help my EU colleagues ignore this absurd law by any means necessary, even if it requires sending SD cards affixed to letters through the mail or embedding them in 3D printed trinkets. Or, more likely, simply emailing gzipped installers or providing convenient download links that circumvent whatever firewall is eventually set up (assuming this law sticks around, but it won’t).

Or use the censorship resistant protocol known as BitTorrent.

Downloading Linux ISOs just became illegal for real this time.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

#119

Unrelated, but shows the "slow collapse" of Europe (where I live in). We all know what a big issue Climate Change (and specially warming in Europe) is. So most European politicians go on and on about environment and all that. Well, yesterday, I went to play football at night and finished at around 10PM. I was planning on taking the metro, as any normal European citizen. Much was my surprise when I compared the time a…

Is that the metro price of a single ticket or proportional for a 10 trip card or similar?

PER ticket. Extremely expensive for the average salary. Theres a reduced fare that is 2.8 for students and elder citizens

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you implement this on something like Arch Linux where you basically build your whole OS from scratch?

Doesn't matter. If you can't find a way to do so, then it becomes illegal to distribute or use Arch Linux.

Literally no one is going to get arrested for installing Arch Linux.
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