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Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by guy2345 »

asah wrote: post #31
Nextgrid wrote: post #21

Always funny to see the senile politicians blaming porn as the biggest threats to children and not their collapsing economies. I'm sure when those kids grow up and work long hours for the rest of their lives (if they can find a job at all!) just to be able to afford rent they'll at least be grateful they weren't able to access porn in their teenage years.

I hate these kinds of bills too, but it's a logical fallacy to address only the single biggest problem (assuming you agree on what it is).

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Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by earthnail »

I’m gonna go on a limb here and say that I like this draft.

It’s an opt-in measure for parents with a one-click solution. Think ad blocker but for adult content.

Parents have to actively enable it. It’s on the device itself, not in the internet backbone. No censorship happening; government doesn’t even know whether parents use it.

It’s a good solution.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by danaris »

yubblegum wrote: post #41
Nextgrid wrote: post #21

Always funny to see the senile politicians blaming porn as the biggest threats to children and not their collapsing economies. I'm sure when those kids grow up and work long hours for the rest of their lives (if they can find a job at all!) just to be able to afford rent they'll at least be grateful they weren't able to access porn in their teenage years.

Porn is damaging at multiple levels, specially for young adults to say nothing of "children". +Should be clear is that exposing children to porn or normalizing porn in no way promotes "healthy economies" either.

[Citation needed]

Multiple studies have shown that porn, in and of itself, is not damaging. The phenomenon of "porn addiction" appears to come entirely from people who think they shouldn't be looking at porn for various (mostly religious) reasons still looking at it, and feeling shame.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by sixtyj »

yubblegum wrote: post #41
Nextgrid wrote: post #21

Always funny to see the senile politicians blaming porn as the biggest threats to children and not their collapsing economies. I'm sure when those kids grow up and work long hours for the rest of their lives (if they can find a job at all!) just to be able to afford rent they'll at least be grateful they weren't able to access porn in their teenage years.

Porn is damaging at multiple levels, specially for young adults to say nothing of "children". +Should be clear is that exposing children to porn or normalizing porn in no way promotes "healthy economies" either.

BBC Channel 4 did some documentary about porn and damage it does to young ones.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by iamnothere »

bko wrote: post #20

I find it interesting how these kinds of measures are incredibly unpopular on HN and other online platforms. But if there was some regulation about social media algorithms, short form content, age restriction for social media and other mandated restrictions on social media companies, people are a lot more open. Why is any restriction on adult content so fiercely defended? I can post that Mark Zuckerberg should be arr…

> But if there was some regulation about social media algorithms, short form content, age restriction for social media and other mandated restrictions on social media companies, people are a lot more open.

FWIW I am opposed to all such restrictions, although the restrictions on media companies (versus OS restrictions, chat control, etc) are slightly less bad because they don’t broadly constrain individual freedom in the same way.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

slightwinder wrote: post #78
trumpeta wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sure but so is social media and ultra processed food. Both with much greater impact, why not start there?

Imagine society is able to tackle multiple problems all at once.. Seems like fiction for some..

But they don't fix multiple problems all at once. Most of the time they don't even fix one at a time. And often, as I think is the case here, they pretend they are fixing a problem when really they are doing something else. In this case its the usual 'save the children' wrapping on more rigid control and surveillance of peoples use of computers and the internet.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by em-bee »

trumpeta wrote: post #72
yubblegum wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porn is damaging at multiple levels, specially for young adults to say nothing of "children". +Should be clear is that exposing children to porn or normalizing porn in no way promotes "healthy economies" either.

sure but so is social media and ultra processed food. Both with much greater impact, why not start there?

because porn is primarily a moral problem, the others are only mental and health problems. surely moral problems are way more serious, right?

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by bdangubic »

slightwinder wrote: post #78
trumpeta wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sure but so is social media and ultra processed food. Both with much greater impact, why not start there?

Imagine society is able to tackle multiple problems all at once.. Seems like fiction for some..

society does not want to tackle any problems - especially when it comes to kids. you need continued social discourse to win elections so no one is actually interested in solving anything

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by sixtyj »

danaris wrote: post #103
yubblegum wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porn is damaging at multiple levels, specially for young adults to say nothing of "children". +Should be clear is that exposing children to porn or normalizing porn in no way promotes "healthy economies" either.

[Citation needed] Multiple studies have shown that porn, in and of itself, is not damaging. The phenomenon of "porn addiction" appears to come entirely from people who think they shouldn't be looking at porn for various (mostly religious) reasons still looking at it, and feeling shame.

Probably not dangerous for adults. But if you combine high-speed internet, unlimited mobile data - it's basically a debilitating affair for kids aged 8-18.

The BBC did a documentary about the knowledge of porn among kids, and how 16-year-olds go to the doctor's office saying they don't have erections...

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by txrx0000 »

earthnail wrote: post #102

I’m gonna go on a limb here and say that I like this draft. It’s an opt-in measure for parents with a one-click solution. Think ad blocker but for adult content. Parents have to actively enable it. It’s on the device itself, not in the internet backbone. No censorship happening; government doesn’t even know whether parents use it. It’s a good solution.

Yeah, this is the right direction for moderation features in general assuming it's implemented offline on-device and works without contacting a remote server. It eliminates excuses to implement age verification online.

And it's correct in principle: each parent should be able to decide what their child sees, but not what anyone else's child sees. Parenting a child is the responsibility of that child's parents, but it is not the responsibility of governments or other people.

Though I do have some gripes with it being a mandate rather than a recommendation, it is a much better proposal than age verification or censoring the entire Internet.

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