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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

energy123 wrote: post #304
rckt wrote: post #270

I get that too many regulations is a bad thing. But when we talk privacy and personal data there should be no gray zone. It has to be black and white. When I see a stupid cookie banner I search for "Reject all". There's no some data that companies can collect and process without my consent, they just shouldn't be able to collect anything without me actively opting in. Business never respects anything, but profits. Se…

I've stopped thinking of regulations as a single dial, where more regulations is bad or less regulations is bad. It entirely depends on what is being regulated and how. Some areas need more regulations, some areas need less. Some areas need altered regulation. Some areas have just the right regulations. Most regulations can be improved, some more than others.

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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

s1mplicissimus wrote: post #411
shoddydoordesk wrote: post #311

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Who is the audience your comment is trying to reach? Who are these mysterious "companies"? It's important to realize companies are made of people. Someone had to explicitly code the dark pattern in the GDPR cookie dialog. Ever notice the button for "Accept All" is big and shiny, while refusing all is more often than not a cumbersome, multi-click process? That's not an accident. That was coded by people. People around…

Having coded multiple such buttons in the past, I'd like to ask to consider that the person doing the coding is barely the person making the decision. It's hard to reject such a request when your lifelihood depends on the job

Which is why we need professional licensure: You get to tell your boss "If I tell you to go fuck yourself, then I risk this job. If I implement your feature, I risk losing every future job by losing my license. And everybody you can hire to do this will tell you the same thing".

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by mr_toad »

estimator7292 wrote: post #427
gessha wrote: post #408

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A major difference with regulations is there’s no guaranteed executor of those metaphorical lines of code. If the law gets enforced, then yes, but if nobody enforces it, it loses meaning.

If the law is code, then law enforcement is a JITter (joke)

A jitter is like a lawyer on retainer. Law enforcement is more like the OS that segfaults you when you fail to follow the lawyers advice.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

mvdtnz wrote: post #449
rckt wrote: post #270

I get that too many regulations is a bad thing. But when we talk privacy and personal data there should be no gray zone. It has to be black and white. When I see a stupid cookie banner I search for "Reject all". There's no some data that companies can collect and process without my consent, they just shouldn't be able to collect anything without me actively opting in. Business never respects anything, but profits. Se…

There are lots of uses for cookies that have absolutely nothing to do with collecting data about you.

And you don't need user consent for most of those cookies.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

impulser_ wrote: post #300
rckt wrote: post #270

I get that too many regulations is a bad thing. But when we talk privacy and personal data there should be no gray zone. It has to be black and white. When I see a stupid cookie banner I search for "Reject all". There's no some data that companies can collect and process without my consent, they just shouldn't be able to collect anything without me actively opting in. Business never respects anything, but profits. Se…

Yeah, but a lot of the rules around privacy and personal data make it hard to accept business from Europeans. If you are a small business or startup you might not even accept business from Europeans because navigating these rules are almost impossible.

Just don't track users. Don't store any information you don't need, don't try to spy on them beyond what information they choose to share with you freely, and the GDPR has zero issues with you.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by Auracle »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #404
debazel wrote: post #237

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Most are running ads and needs to track the performance of their ad spend I believe, at least that what we do. We don't care at all about tracking anything other than x amount of users came from x ad source with some basic device info like mobile/desktop/etc. We tried to get rid of any tracking banners but have been unable to do so.

So can’t abuse people’s data without their consent is being strangled? Is that like I’m strangled with my start up of “cheapdvds.com” because I can’t sell someone else’s data?

You have a funny definition of the word “abuse,” and “sell.”

“25% of our users that arrived from the newest ad came from Facebook and 85% of those were mobile users.”

So abusive. So much selling.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

pdimitar wrote: post #116
seydor wrote: post #109

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Start?

I stand corrected. :D You are quite right! They have never stopped. And I am ashamed on their behalf. We have amazing tech talent in the EU but we are beholden to old and ultra-risk-averse rich aristocracy. What a damned shame.

> We have amazing tech talent in the EU but we are beholden to old and ultra-risk-averse rich aristocracy.

That's an odd way to say EU regulations....

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by wat10000 »

tsoukase wrote: post #292
rckt wrote: post #270

I get that too many regulations is a bad thing. But when we talk privacy and personal data there should be no gray zone. It has to be black and white. When I see a stupid cookie banner I search for "Reject all". There's no some data that companies can collect and process without my consent, they just shouldn't be able to collect anything without me actively opting in. Business never respects anything, but profits. Se…

Using an Ad blocker I feel regret for stealing the site's revenue. So I allow them to collect my personal data. Anyways, I think most of them will not respect my rejection.

Typical ad blockers won't block ads that are served natively by the site you're viewing. And outside ad networks are a security and privacy risk. So I don't feel too bad. It's not my fault that they made their revenue contingent on loading untrusted third-party content.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by Spivak »

Spunkie wrote: post #364
Spivak wrote: post #207

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Well yeah, the GPDR was great in theory and a huge win for privacy advocates until it did jack shit in practice. It turned out to have zero teeth and everyone just found ways to keep business as usual while 'complying' with the law.

I think it's ridiculous to say GDPR did "jack shit". I now have the ability to withdraw consent for tracking/marketing cookies on every major companies website I visit. An option that was near non-existent before GDPR.

That wasn't even the GPDR and it did even less for user privacy.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by winstonewert »

energy123 wrote: post #304
rckt wrote: post #270

I get that too many regulations is a bad thing. But when we talk privacy and personal data there should be no gray zone. It has to be black and white. When I see a stupid cookie banner I search for "Reject all". There's no some data that companies can collect and process without my consent, they just shouldn't be able to collect anything without me actively opting in. Business never respects anything, but profits. Se…

I've stopped thinking of regulations as a single dial, where more regulations is bad or less regulations is bad. It entirely depends on what is being regulated and how. Some areas need more regulations, some areas need less. Some areas need altered regulation. Some areas have just the right regulations. Most regulations can be improved, some more than others.

I think the real question has to be: how do we determine what the regulations should be. Today, regulations are typically the product of dysfunctional political processes, and, no surprise, a lot of those regulations are unhelpful and a lot of helpful regulations are absent.
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