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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by xvector »

bitpush wrote: post #337
xvector wrote: post #250

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Where can I read more about this? Quick search turns up nothing for me

https://www.theverge.com/news/823191/meta-ftc-antitrust-tria... It is actually a monumental case ruling, and for some reason it wasnt reported or discussed here. Lina Khan's FTC has lost both their marquee cases now (Google, Meta) > Meta won a landmark antitrust battle with the Federal Trade Commission on Tuesday after a federal judge ruled it has not monopolized the social media market at the center of the case.

Wasn't the case here really weak to begin with? I remember reading the FTC's initial filings and they just sounded absurd. The very premise that Meta didn't face meaningful competition from TikTok was a farce.

I'm not very happy with Lina Khan after she killed our only remaining low cost airline carrier. And killed iRobot to let Roborock, a a Chinese company, take over.

She "stood up" to big tech, failed, and her remaining legacy is destroying American businesses that people actually relied on. Literally no value was added, but a bunch was subtracted. I never understood the hype for her.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by sothatsit »

marcosdumay wrote: post #219
danishSuri1994 wrote: post #110

I sympathize with the startup argument: heavy compliance costs can stifle early innovation. But the solution shouldn’t be “weaker rules.” It should be smarter rules, clearer safe harbors for small actors, browser-level consent primitives for users, and stronger enforcement against dark-pattern CMPs. That keeps privacy meaningful without killing small businesses.

Yes, the solution is clearer rules. What drives compliance costs up is rarely the compliance itself, it's usually the uncertainty about your being in compliance or not. That's also true for tax laws, labor laws, environment laws, almost every safety code out there, building zoning...

Exactly this. As a recent example, the documents for the new Online Safety Act in the UK are over 2400 pages long! That means that even small businesses that want to comply have no reasonable option other than relying on summaries, and the regulator and big businesses will probably just negotiate on what the details actually mean in practice anyway.

I understand that there's nuance when dealing with all the edge cases to regulations. But it seems that the answer should not be extending the regulations to insane lengths to try to cover everything. That way lies insanity.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by hdgvhicv »

debazel wrote: post #237
hdgvhicv wrote: post #123

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What were they doing with user data?

Most are running ads and needs to track the performance of their ad spend I believe, at least that what we do. We don't care at all about tracking anything other than x amount of users came from x ad source with some basic device info like mobile/desktop/etc. We tried to get rid of any tracking banners but have been unable to do so.

So can’t abuse people’s data without their consent is being strangled?

Is that like I’m strangled with my start up of “cheapdvds.com” because I can’t sell someone else’s data?

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by econ »

samdoesnothing wrote: post #399
idrios wrote: post #327

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Regulations are like lines of code in a software project. They're good if well written, bad if not, and what matters more is how well they fit into the entire solution

In general you want as few as possible of both.

You could also optimize everything for future updates that optimize things even further for even more updates...

Humm.. that was supposed to be a joke but our law making dev team isn't all that productive to put it mildly. Perhaps some of that bloat would be a good thing until we are brave enough to do the full rewrite.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by prolly97 »

palata wrote: post #375

I don't get why people conclude from the cookie hell that "regulations are bad". If those goddamn websites got actual fines for those dark patterns, they wouldn't do it. The EU should just be stricter with the regulations.

I don't want an internet designed by lawyers and politicians. And I'm afraid that's what this level of regulation and enforcement would create.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by noitpmeder »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #386
danishSuri1994 wrote: post #110

I sympathize with the startup argument: heavy compliance costs can stifle early innovation. But the solution shouldn’t be “weaker rules.” It should be smarter rules, clearer safe harbors for small actors, browser-level consent primitives for users, and stronger enforcement against dark-pattern CMPs. That keeps privacy meaningful without killing small businesses.

AI should also be seen as an opportunity for small actors to actually understand and follow numerous complex rules. You don't need a huge legal and compliance team anymore, you just need to feed chatgpt the right amount of legal and ruling documentation, and then consult it on how you can actually comply.

HAHAHAHA good joke. Oh wait. You're serious. Oh god please no.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by gessha »

idrios wrote: post #327
energy123 wrote: post #304

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I've stopped thinking of regulations as a single dial, where more regulations is bad or less regulations is bad. It entirely depends on what is being regulated and how. Some areas need more regulations, some areas need less. Some areas need altered regulation. Some areas have just the right regulations. Most regulations can be improved, some more than others.

Regulations are like lines of code in a software project. They're good if well written, bad if not, and what matters more is how well they fit into the entire solution

A major difference with regulations is there’s no guaranteed executor of those metaphorical lines of code. If the law gets enforced, then yes, but if nobody enforces it, it loses meaning.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

samdoesnothing wrote: post #399
idrios wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulations are like lines of code in a software project. They're good if well written, bad if not, and what matters more is how well they fit into the entire solution

In general you want as few as possible of both.

that's right. This is the reason all my code looks like an entry to PerlGolf. /s

The world's complicated. "Every complex problem has a solution which is simple, direct, and wrong"

Simplicity is a laudable goal, but it's not always the one thing to optimize for.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by s1mplicissimus »

user34283 wrote: post #395
zelphirkalt wrote: post #302

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A site that cannot exist without collecting not needed personal data and without selling out its visitors, has no justification of continuing to exist. Don't let them guilt-trip you.

Do you think anyone cares in the slightest about your 'personal data'? It's garbage and no one would waste energy for it, if it weren't for the ability to serve more effective advertisements. If I'm going to offer an application monetized with Ads, I'm going to use a big ad network like Google which requires cookies to personalize the ads and prevent fraud. I could not care less about collecting your personal data. A…

> It's garbage and no one would waste energy for it, if it weren't for the ability to serve more effective advertisements.

Advertisements, among other things, for political views, influencing voter behavior. Which lots of interest groups care about

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