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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by troupo »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #30
basisword wrote: post #18

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It worked to highlight the insane amount of tracking every fucking website does. Unfortunately it didn’t stop it. A browser setting letting me reject everything by default will be a better implementation. But this implementation only failed because almost every website owner wants to track your every move and share those moves with about 50 different other trackers and doesn’t want to be better.

You can just set your browser not to send whichever cookies you don't want to. Cookies are a client-side technology. Why does the government need to be involved?

Because it's not about cookies. Ad trackers shouldn't store my precise geolocation for 12 years for example: https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1817122117093056541

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by 1718627440 »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #354
Fargren wrote: post #305

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That would be fine, if there was a law that forced every browser to have this setting and every company to respect the setting.

arguably if there was a browser setting for this the current GDPR would require you to respect that setting. But that's arguably, it would still need to adjudicated.

The browser setting already exists (DNT), so I don't know what you want to conlude.

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Post by mmooss »

betaby wrote: post #287
rckt wrote: post #270

I get that too many regulations is a bad thing. But when we talk privacy and personal data there should be no gray zone. It has to be black and white. When I see a stupid cookie banner I search for "Reject all". There's no some data that companies can collect and process without my consent, they just shouldn't be able to collect anything without me actively opting in. Business never respects anything, but profits. Se…

That cookie thing should a browser's default.

Like Do Not Track?

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Post by naIak »

AlexandrB wrote: post #313
debazel wrote: post #237

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Most are running ads and needs to track the performance of their ad spend I believe, at least that what we do. We don't care at all about tracking anything other than x amount of users came from x ad source with some basic device info like mobile/desktop/etc. We tried to get rid of any tracking banners but have been unable to do so.

How do I stop you from tracking this information about me?

Do not consent when asked or, better yet, do not use websites that implement these techniques.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by mmooss »

radicalbyte wrote: post #35
bitpush wrote: post #16

Incredible to see the 180 both from EU and also from the HN sentiment. HN was cheering on as EU went after Big Tech companies, especially Meta. Meta is no perfect company, but the amount of 'please stick it to them' was strong (I reckon that is still a bridge too far for a lot of folks here). Even extreme proponents of big tech villanery in the US (Lina Khan's FTC) is also facing losses (They just lost their monument…

There has been a change in the community here over the last decade, we've lost a lot of the hacker spirit and have a larger proportion of "chancers", people who are only in tech to "get rich quick". The legacy of ZIRP combined with The Social Network marketing.

> we've lost a lot of the hacker spirit and have a larger proportion of "chancers", people who are only in tech to "get rich quick".

Doesn't that describe SV in general, and big tech in particular?

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by nrhrjrjrjtntbt »

palata wrote: post #370
GardenLetter27 wrote: post #49

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Hackers should know the government is never on your side.

In a democracy, the government is its citizen. It sucks when you disagree with the majority of the voters, of course. But it's wrong to say that the government is against the majority of the voters: it was elected by them.

A government or president can definitely be against its voters interests.

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Post by jedberg »

troupo wrote: post #356
jedberg wrote: post #264

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> I don't see anything about GDPR that would harm innovation or long-term success for europe. It's the same thing as any other regulation -- regulatory burden. Laws aren't code, they need interpretation. That means you need your own lawyer to tell you an interpretation that they feel they can defend in front of a judge. There is a cost to that. In both time and money. I am the CEO of a startup who is subject to GDPR.…

> The amount of time and money we've spent just making sure we are in compliance is quite high, and we barely operate in Europe and don't collect PII. So either you're lying or your lawyers are lying to you. In 9 years you could've finally read and understood the rather small law yourself.

I have read and believe I understand it. That does not matter. What matters is can your decisions be defended in front of a judge. I am not qualified to figure that out, and unless you're a lawyer, neither are you.

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Post by aerhardt »

Telaneo wrote: post #344
omnimus wrote: post #315

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I would say it's a lot more than 500%. If your business is based on doing things that are illegal under GDPR then the cost of doing that startup is close to infinite. But that's kinda the point of GDPR.

This. Sure, it's X% more difficult to do Y in Europe, because Europe doesn't want you to do Y, either at all, or unless you clean up after yourself so the costs aren't just eaten up by the environment or whatever, or unless you do it without causing harm. That's not a problem. That's the system working as intended. Sure, Europe doesn't have it's own Microsoft, probably because of regulations like this, but I don't wa…

> That's not a problem. That's the system working as intended.

You really think that supra-national legislators regulating the fine-print of unfathomably complex systems manage to have everything working "as intended"?

Why do Draghi or the EC want to roll back this mess then, other than the evident loss of competitiveness respective of the blocs who did not do this? Was that intended or foreseen?

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Post by g-b-r »

bitpush wrote: post #16

Incredible to see the 180 both from EU and also from the HN sentiment. HN was cheering on as EU went after Big Tech companies, especially Meta. Meta is no perfect company, but the amount of 'please stick it to them' was strong (I reckon that is still a bridge too far for a lot of folks here). Even extreme proponents of big tech villanery in the US (Lina Khan's FTC) is also facing losses (They just lost their monument…

Meta's only merit is having a lot of users and keeping them hooked at any cost.

It might surprise you, but success is not always rooted in having done great things for the world

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