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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

#171

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the issue was never the law. the issue were the 100s of tracking cookies and that websites would use dark patterns or simply not offer a "no to all" button at all (which is against the law, btw.) Most websites do. not. need. cookies. It's all about tracking and surveillance to show you different prices on airbnb and booking.com to maximise their profits. https://noyb.eu/en/project/cookie-banners (edit: link)

I'm not sure why this is being downvoted?

A lot of people at HN work in industries that track, or are the ones choosing to use the banners in the first place.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Let me steelman the new proposal a little bit: You run a merch store. You want to share with your suppliers order data so that you can get the right number of sizes/colors/etc. Is this PII under GDPR rules? Technically, yes! Not only is there information on gender, but also people's height and weight and maybe even family makeup. Does it make sense to call this data sub-processing? Eh? Maybe? (To my knowledge, I don'…

> You run a merch store. You want to share with your suppliers order data so that you can get the right number of sizes/colors/etc. Is this PII under GDPR rules? Technically, yes! Not only is there information on gender, but also people's height and weight and maybe even family makeup.

That seems like a very long stretch. First of all, why assume that clothes sizes constitute PII at all? The store never asks me for my height, weight or family relations. It asks me what item variants I'd like to order. Even if the item size happens to match me, there's no telling that I'm ordering it for myself. They're just fulfilling an order that's built to my request, not collecting my biometrics. It would have to be an insane world in which "Supplier, send me 20x unisex medium sizes with XYZ illustration" is considered a breach of privacy. Each time the GDPR comes up, there are so many hypotheticals that never happened (and likely can't happen) in the real world, when the much simpler line of reasoning is that privacy regulation is digging too much into the profit motive of corporations and the US at large, so the sore thumb that is the EU needs to be pushed back in line in their minds.

Tracking and ad companies don't need your real name or email to track you across the internet. And even if they did want that, with a large enough corpus of data, a social media company can probably deduce who most people are anyway based on their behavior even if they're technically marked with an "anonymous identifier". Letting business identify you in any way and trade that "anonymized" data back and forth will effectively be a reversal to full tracking.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

#173

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Those “cookie banners” are nonsense aimed at getting this outcome. This is a loss for European citizens and small businesses and a win for the trillion dollar ecosystem of data abuse.

How can you comply with the current requirements without cookie banners? Why would EU governments use cookie banners if they are just nonsense meant to degrade approval of GDPR?

By not putting a billion trackers on your site and also by not using dark patterns. The idea was a simple yes or no. It became: "yes or click through these 1000 trackers" or "yes or pay". The problem is that it became normal to just collect and hoard data about everyone.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

#174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the issue was never the law. the issue were the 100s of tracking cookies and that websites would use dark patterns or simply not offer a "no to all" button at all (which is against the law, btw.) Most websites do. not. need. cookies. It's all about tracking and surveillance to show you different prices on airbnb and booking.com to maximise their profits. https://noyb.eu/en/project/cookie-banners (edit: link)

I think that most websites need cookies. I have a website with short stories. It lets you set font size and dark/bright theme, nothing special. Do I want to store your settings on server? No, why should I waste my resources? Just store it in your browser! Cookies are perfect for that. Do I know your settings? No, I don't, I don't care. I set a cookie, JS reads it and changes something on client. No tracking at all. C…

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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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That's a pity, the government fails to capitalize on its own policies because they fail to set up long term investment. First environmental and e-Mobility and now AI. Sure, there's way too much bureaucracy. But I see there things like taxes, regulations about the cucumber radius etc.

What exactly did you see about cucumbers?

They scrapped it actually but this law used to be the main example for overbearing EU bureaucracy

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2008/no...

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

#177
It's crazy how many adults think regulation is free, especially here. All consuming vague regulations like GDPR increase the cost of a startup by 500%. Europe should have just banned startups entirely. It would have the same effect.

Imagine being a college student with 240 hours and $1,000 to release an MVP over the summer. How long would it take to read GDPR yourself, 100 hours? How much would it cost to hire a lawyer verify that your startup meets GDPR guidelines, $5,000? It would be almost impossible for any young person to start a business. GDPR was obviously a failure from the start. Anyone who couldn't see that has a child's understanding of business. Grow up.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

#179

> One change that’s likely to please almost everyone is a reduction in Europe’s ubiquitous cookie banners and pop-ups. Under the new proposal, some “non-risk” cookies won’t trigger pop-ups at all, and users would be able to control others from central browser controls that apply to websites broadly. Finally!

Non-risk cookies never required a banner.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

#180

In comparison with healthcare information systems the GDPR is really not that hard to follow. You can get guides for business owners which can be read and understood in under an hour. If you design your system according to the guidelines you usually end up with a product where it's easier to service your customer (eg. with full account exports). Deleting inactive accounts is great because it means less migration head…

Can you point to any of these guides?
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