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Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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amphetamines feel a lot like people putting NO2 on their cars, or overclocking their computers. You might just fine in the end, but the likelihood of wear & tear catching up to you increases. It should be treated just like any other medicine, don't use it unless you really have to, and expect adverse effect (known or unknown).

It's a good thing that human bodies are not analogous to cars then. The research on these chemicals does not align with your metaphor.

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Soma in BNW is more analogous to MDMA as it's about sedated pleasure, not mental clarity/performance.

MDMA isn't sedated pleasure, it's very stimmy pleasure.

Kind of depends really. I’ve definitely had Molly trips that have been very oozy/cuddly/spacey.

I really prefer the term ‘ecstacy’ for mdma paired with a stimulant, even if it’s just caffeine - because that is a distinct experience.

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Adderall was definitely developed as a diet pill, the decision to seek approval for use as ADHD medication happened decades later when stimulants were already a widely accepted treatment. Yes, there’s certainly research involved in getting an existing drug approved for a new condition. That’s not development . > not for helping everyone else get a boost of "mental efficiency" (and particularly, without adverse conseq…

you can take what’s called a QB test. That’s an objective and empirical computer driven measurement of a person’s ability to focus and how much they fidget. So you can measure how much inattentivity and hyperactivity someone has as separate dimensions.

You absolutely can, but the problem is that you can’t know if those metrics are really caused by “ADHD” or one of many other possible causes.

The whole idea here is that current evidence suggests that we are almost certainly currently filing a variety of disparate conditions under “ADHD” because we have no good way to determine what “ADHD” actually is.

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amphetamines feel a lot like people putting NO2 on their cars, or overclocking their computers. You might just fine in the end, but the likelihood of wear & tear catching up to you increases. It should be treated just like any other medicine, don't use it unless you really have to, and expect adverse effect (known or unknown).

Amphetamines are safe, well-studied and non-addictive at prescribed doses. On the other hand, untreated ADHD VASTLY increases likelihood of addiction and many mental disorders. Definitely DO use this medication if you need it - it's the first medication your doctor will likely ask you to try precisely because an extensive body of research says it's the most effective way for treating ADHD.

“non-addictive at prescribed doses”

Less likely to be addictive, definitely not non-addictive.

https://talbottcampus.com/resources/how-adderall-addiction-s...

This has the same energy as the common incorrect statement “marijuana isn’t addictive”. I assume made by frequent users who want to downplay negatives.

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Amphetamines are safe, well-studied and non-addictive at prescribed doses. On the other hand, untreated ADHD VASTLY increases likelihood of addiction and many mental disorders. Definitely DO use this medication if you need it - it's the first medication your doctor will likely ask you to try precisely because an extensive body of research says it's the most effective way for treating ADHD.

The "if you need it" is important. 1. People take it as a study drug, without prescription. 2. There may be over medication. Doctors will sometimes feel pushed to prescribe (as is known to happen with antibiotics) 3. At an individual level that is true, but you may need it because of your society and environment. Both ADHD rates and treatment varies between countries (even between regions and states within countries)…

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna95111

1 out of every 5 Ivy League students is prescribed stimulants.

I think it’s time we stop pretending like prescriptions magically mean the substance isn’t abused or is truly needed.

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Adderall was definitely developed as a diet pill, the decision to seek approval for use as ADHD medication happened decades later when stimulants were already a widely accepted treatment. Yes, there’s certainly research involved in getting an existing drug approved for a new condition. That’s not development . > not for helping everyone else get a boost of "mental efficiency" (and particularly, without adverse conseq…

>Yes, there’s certainly research involved in getting an existing drug approved for a new condition. That’s not development. OK, I concede that point then. That's the information I intended to communicate. >The suggestion that Adderall would only benefit folks with ADHD diagnoses is also fundamentally weird Sure, let me rephrase. There is, as we both agree, research performed to establish that Adderall is something th…

I think we broadly agree, Adderall does not make anyone smarter.

I would hazard to suggest that it can make many people much more productive though. This topic has been studied extensively since before anyone cared about ADHD, and the answer is broadly “yes, for some tasks”.

> Nobody has really looked at these drugs used as work enhancers

I would strongly disagree with this bit, this was one of the primary purposes people have studied stimulants for. They’ve been successfully used for this in the past and continue to be used anriun the world, especially by various militaries.

Anyway, unfortunately I can’t comment here on personal experience given that I have been twice diagnosed and once undiagnosed with ADHD. Adderall makes me more productive and more prone to tunnel vision, but certainly not smarter.

The historical and continued use by various militaries of stimulants seems to suggest that at least many very highly motivated big spenders seem to expect the same to apply to the general population.

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It definitely helps sleep quality in some people.

I’ve read that it interferes with one or more sleep stages enough to make them ineffective. My understanding is that it may help someone fall asleep, but the actual sleep they get will definitely be worse. So for insomnia, where the alternative is just not sleeping at all, yes, but otherwise no, AFAIK.

Exactly. In addition to general insomnia, people who suffer from persistent nightmares due to PTSD or other reasons will sleep restfully.

And with nightmares I’m not referring to bad dreams in general, but to horrific nightmares where a person is re-experiencing their trauma in various ways, not necessarily remembering their dreams afterwards.

Imagine sleeping eight hours but waking up more tired than when you went to sleep and in full panic mode without even knowing why. After months and years, it gets pretty tiring.

Being able to not be afraid of going to sleep is a lifesaver and can keep those people functional in their lives.

Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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amphetamines feel a lot like people putting NO2 on their cars, or overclocking their computers. You might just fine in the end, but the likelihood of wear & tear catching up to you increases. It should be treated just like any other medicine, don't use it unless you really have to, and expect adverse effect (known or unknown).

What are the "wear & tear" effects of using Adderall and its derivatives as prescribed for many years or decades?

Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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This article (and the title alone) is harmful. Adderall is not about increasing mental efficiency . What Adderall is about is: - helping with executive dysfunction for people who suffer from it. - allowing people with ADHD like me to function . To do the things that everyone else does, things that we want to do and need to do, but can't do because of the way our brains are wired. - increasing the lifespan of ADHD peo…

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Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

#180

amphetamines feel a lot like people putting NO2 on their cars, or overclocking their computers. You might just fine in the end, but the likelihood of wear & tear catching up to you increases. It should be treated just like any other medicine, don't use it unless you really have to, and expect adverse effect (known or unknown).

Isn't the whole point of amphetamine based treatement for ADHD to correct(or beneficially alter, depending on your point of view) an non-standard brain chemistry? AFAIK some neurodivergent brains deal with amphetamines differently and the baseline levels of chemical affected by amphetamines is different. Wear and tear might be a thing, i don't know, but the analogy of putting NO2 in their car feels a bit off. It'd be…

Eh, for me the comment rings mostly true. It fixed my ADHD - I was incredibly more productive, present, and "on track" so to speak. I set goals for myself and achieved them (some for the first time) once I was treated.

That said, it completely destroyed my appetite. I picked up ciggies, too. It made me crave nicotine and caffeine. I started pulling all-nighters because I was so productive (or, so into whatever game I was playing.) I got cold sweats often and had some weird uh sexual health side effects. Develeoped a tolerance to 5-10mg very quickly, so went up to 15-20mg, which also felt weakened after a month or so.

So, wasn't lolng before I could tell this was not healthy. Felt like I was in overdrive mode - super mentally active, and productive, but running my body into the ground. I would never do it long-term.

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