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Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by phito »

AlexandrB wrote: post #129
ChicagoDave wrote: post #127

Microsoft has gone full-blown evil corporation again. No customer validation on any of the AI cruft. No full OPT OUT. Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. I've been a Windows user from day one and I now see a future without it. Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft, but this blind lust for AI, especially in bed with Altman who is pure con artist, is unforgivable. Some of the investment…

> Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft What? How? From a user's perspective, everything has gotten steadily worse under his reign. Solitaire is now a subscription service. I long for the halcyon days of Windows 8.

They said Microsoft not windows. Modern dotnet is a good example of something Microsoft has been doing right. Windows on the other hand...

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by int_19h »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #132
AlexandrB wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft What? How? From a user's perspective, everything has gotten steadily worse under his reign. Solitaire is now a subscription service. I long for the halcyon days of Windows 8.

Everything before CoPilot was pretty standard CEO stuff. The real change was internally. Satya is well-known for eradicating the "Art of War" environment and bringing workers together. He also fully embraced open-source (Balmer hated OSS) and R&D has continued to innovate. (Still boggles the mind that F# exists and is awesome) Prior to CoPilot, my only beef was that Azure needs a ground up re-architecture. They bolte…

It should be noted that while Satya opened the floodgates, it was already making inroads by then, just with a lot more paperwork. Some early examples of F/OSS predating Satya were ASP.NET MVC and PTVS.

At the same time, the insistence from up top that all divisions have to be profitable on their own means that in practice there has been a steady ongoing scale-back from F/OSS for several years now. Just look at the situation in VSCode: sure, the base platform is still open, but increasingly many first-party extensions have their pieces replaced by closed source functionality - Python language server, C# debugger etc. Related to this are the attempts to block VSCode forks by using prohibitive licensing terms and even inserting runtime checks for the same.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by latentsea »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #127

Microsoft has gone full-blown evil corporation again. No customer validation on any of the AI cruft. No full OPT OUT. Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. I've been a Windows user from day one and I now see a future without it. Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft, but this blind lust for AI, especially in bed with Altman who is pure con artist, is unforgivable. Some of the investment…

> OpenAI enabled its users to have a sext conversation.

Am I reading that right?

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by smallstepforman »

ronsor wrote: post #90
isodev wrote: post #74

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The main reason I shop online is the joy of hitting that Buy button every now and then for something I want. I don’t want some dumb bot doing that for me (and getting the wrong thing 2/3 of the times) The real chore is having to go to the store to get groceries, doing laundry, pairing socks etc … but solving any of that would require more than just bullshit LLM capabilities.

> get groceries Isn't that what grocery delivery apps are for, if you really don't want to go to the store. > doing laundry, pairing socks etc … but solving any of that would require more than just bullshit LLM capabilities. Yes, it's a shame robotics (hardware) is harder than software, but that's not really the fault of AI model developers.

Actually, for Robotics hardware is a solved problem. Software is struggling to keep up.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by ako »

userbinator wrote: post #158
ChicagoDave wrote: post #127

Microsoft has gone full-blown evil corporation again. No customer validation on any of the AI cruft. No full OPT OUT. Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. I've been a Windows user from day one and I now see a future without it. Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft, but this blind lust for AI, especially in bed with Altman who is pure con artist, is unforgivable. Some of the investment…

"again"? What they did in the past seems absolutely neighbourly compared to what they're doing now. Get a VM of Windows 9x/2k/XP to experience what "good Microsoft" was like.

Windows NT

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by smallstepforman »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #105

Imagine a new version of Windows being released called "Windows Optimal" In addition to Home, Professional and Pro you get to buy Optimal. The catch is that it is priced 4x the home version. You wonder why? Optimal is exactly what you think it is. A ground up 0 bloatware, 0 telemetry, 100% easily tweakable privacy and performance settings from a single screen with 0 AI features, 0 Edge and 0 games. Imagine getting yo…

It already exists (any Open Source OS).

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by hulitu »

ako wrote: post #165
userbinator wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"again"? What they did in the past seems absolutely neighbourly compared to what they're doing now. Get a VM of Windows 9x/2k/XP to experience what "good Microsoft" was like.

Windows NT

> Windows NT

Windows NT what ? Microsoft was always the same.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by Terr_ »

thewebguyd wrote: post #118
Terr_ wrote: post #116

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I think there are two factors: 1. "Help customers buy crap" is one of the vaguely plausible use-cases which excite investors who see the ads, even if it isn't so exciting for actual customers. 2. The ideas seem sourced from some brain-trust of idle-rich, rather than from the average US consumer. Regardless of how the characters in the ads are presented, all of them are somehow able to prefer saving 60 seconds even if…

> The ideas seem sourced from some brain-trust of idle-rich , rather than from the average US consumer I think it says more about the economy currently. The "average US consumer" is the wealthy right now. Just 10% of the population, the highest earners, drive nearly 50% of consumption currently and that number is growing. That is the new average US consumer, hence the ads and use cases targeting a more well-off demog…

Adding context: The upper 10% for household income across the US is about $160k/yr.

Limiting the scope to people living in high cost-of-living cities (probably smaller than their ideal customer field) that might be $300-400k/yr.

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Post by ezst »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #132
AlexandrB wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft What? How? From a user's perspective, everything has gotten steadily worse under his reign. Solitaire is now a subscription service. I long for the halcyon days of Windows 8.

Everything before CoPilot was pretty standard CEO stuff. The real change was internally. Satya is well-known for eradicating the "Art of War" environment and bringing workers together. He also fully embraced open-source (Balmer hated OSS) and R&D has continued to innovate. (Still boggles the mind that F# exists and is awesome) Prior to CoPilot, my only beef was that Azure needs a ground up re-architecture. They bolte…

> They bolted products onto Active Directory which is ancient LDAP tech. It's a massive flaw in how Azure works and why it's 10x more complicated than AWS or GCP.

I really don't see the problem with LDAP. If they make an overlay for it and it's needlessly complicated, that's just par for the course. Have you experienced SharePoint?

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