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Post by neves »

jmkni wrote: post #58

That whole article felt like "Claude is so good Chinese hackers are using it for espionage" marketing fluff tbh

Leaning in the "China Menace" will also give you points with the USA Gov.

I can see that they can detect an attack using their tools, but tracing it to an organization "sponsored" by the Chinese government looks like bullshit marketing. How they did it? A Google search? I have the Chinese Gov in higher grounds. They wouldn't be easily detected by a startup without experience in infosec.

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Post by edanm »

AstroBen wrote: post #166
gpi wrote: post #131

The below amendment from the anthropic blog page is telling. Edited November 14 2025: Added an additional hyperlink to the full report in the initial section Corrected an error about the speed of the attack: not "thousands of requests per second" but "thousands of requests, often multiple per second"

There is absolutely no way a technical person would mix those up

Right! It's well known that technical people never make mistakes.

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Post by neves »

mnky9800n wrote: post #82
jmkni wrote: post #58

That whole article felt like "Claude is so good Chinese hackers are using it for espionage" marketing fluff tbh

I also would believe that they fell into the trap of being so good at making Claude they now think they are good at everything and so why hire an infosec person we can write our own report! And that’s why their report violates so many norms because they didn’t know them.

They don't need to hire anyone. They just prompted Claude to write for them. :-)

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Post by KaiserPro »

antonvs wrote: post #238
lijok wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> They hired a teenager to run one of their departments Except they didn’t. The person in question was 28 when they hired him. He was a teenager when he cofounded the company that was acquired for thirty billion dollars. But the taste of those really sour grapes must be hard to deal with.

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Post by xadhominemx »

criemen wrote: post #120
Aeolun wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would someone in China not select Claude? If the people at Claude not notice then it’s a pure win. If they do notice, what are they going to do, arrest you? The worst thing they can do is block your account, then you have to make a new one with a newly issued false credit card. Whoopie doo.

> Why would someone in China not select Claude? Because Anthropic doesn't provide services in China? See https://www.anthropic.com/supported-countries

Not really a relevant issue or concern for a nation state backed hack…

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Post by crabmusket »

jmkni wrote: post #128
ndiddy wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of how when the Playstation 2 came out, Sony started planting articles about how it was so powerful that the Iraqi government was buying thousands of them to turn into a supercomputer (including unnamed military officials bringing up Sony marketing points). https://www.wnd.com/2000/12/7640/

Ironically the US millitary actually did this with the Playstation 3

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster

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Post by SiempreViernes »

edanm wrote: post #242
AstroBen wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is absolutely no way a technical person would mix those up

Right! It's well known that technical people never make mistakes.

I think the expectation is more that serious people have their work checked over by other serious people to catch the obvious mistakes.

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Post by tomrod »

antonvs wrote: post #187
y-curious wrote: post #130

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I don’t know anything about him, but if he is running a department at Meta, he as at the very least a political genius and a teenage data labeller

Presumably this is all referring to Alexander Wang, who's 28 now. The data-labeling company he co-founded, Scale AI, was acquired by Meta at a valuation of nearly $30 billion. But I suppose the criticism is that he doesn't have deep AI model research credentials. Which raises the age-old question of how much technical expertise is really needed in executive management.

> Which raises the age-old question of how much technical expertise is really needed in executive management.

For whomever you choose to set as the core decision maker, you get out whatever their expertise is with minor impact by their guides.

Scaling a business is a skill set. It's not a skill set that captures or expands the frontier of AI, so it's clearly in the realm to label the gentleman's expensive buyout is a product development play instead of a technology play.

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