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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Just one of many protection rackets

Are you saying that cloudflare conducts or promotes DDoS?

Most of the ddos as a service booter/stresser websites and front doors are on cloudflare.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Well then, that would be a very interesting thing to watch when it happens! From the article, the penalty for a false report: > ...shall be punished by one year’s imprisonment and a fine of €15,000. Side note, would anybody know how "easily" do political elites get off the hook in France?

But apparently there was actual CSAM there, since the article mentioned that archive.is removed it within a few hours. So the claim was real. Why did they make up such a story around it?

False flag attacks are a thing that wannabe censors do.

They post CSAM to some service/site, then immediately report it to every possible contact of the site's hosting provider, DNS provider, DDoS protection provider, etc. But not the site itself.

Before they do that, they spend weeks probing the site's moderation response, to work out the best time to evade detection on the site itself.

Then they do it again, and again, and again. They fight against the site's attempt to block them.

Their intent is to _deliberately_ get the site into trouble, and ultimately get the site's hosting, DNS, peering, etc. to abandon it.

The same sort of shitstains also persistently DDoS the site.

Why do they do it? Usually minor and petty internet squabbles, the instigator hates the site and wants to destroy the site, and uses these underhand tactics to do it.

They have no legal way to get what they want -- destroy someone else's site for their own pleasure -- so they use illegal ways. https://protectthestack.org/

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Chat Control getting voted against had nothing to do with people power. It was always going to be the outcome, as long as we're lucky enough to have MEPs who are wiser than MECs. Social media outage had nothing to do with it - it was entirely up to who sits in the European Parliament.

Well they specifically called out the website set up for the mass emailing campaign as the (a) reason why they couldn't ignore the outrage. Never mentioned anything about social media, but the idea that parliamentary officials are immune to people power is just naive. They do not exist in a vacuum. https://www.politico.eu/article/one-man-spam-campaign-ravage... Id also seriously question your assertion that it was in…

Interesting. I know in the USA each congressperson has a small team of people to filter emails, including deleting repetitive ones. I thought this was universal.

> Joachim's mass email campaign is unconventional as a lobbying tool, differing from the more wonky approach usually taken in Brussels. But the website's impact has been undeniable.

Ah, so this is completely new to them - for some reason. Possibly due to constituents having a fear of retaliation on other issues, as Europe has only weak free speech. Well, don't worry, soon the European Parliament will have filters in place to ignore its constituents just as efficiently as every other Western democracy.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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The internet will be destroyed as countries the world over seek to impose all of their silly and incompatible laws on it. The international network will fracture into multiple national networks with heavy filtering at the borders. I've been making this prediction for years now. Words can hardly capture the sadness I feel when I see evidence of its slow realization. I'm happy to have known the true internet. Truly one…

> The internet will be destroyed as countries the world over seek to impose all of their silly and incompatible laws on it. > I'm happy to have known the true internet. Truly one of the wonders of humanity. I'm old enough to have been around for the whole thing. I used to kind of share this view, but I don't anymore. I think it's impossible to reconcile this point of view with the obvious observation that huge aspect…

We don't disagree. I acknowledge its failure. I am merely mourning the loss. We could debate the reasons for it all day, it won't change a thing...

I'm becoming increasingly elitist. Things change profoundly for the worse every time the masses are allowed into our spaces. People have money which attracts corporations which corrupt and destroy everything, thereby eventually attracting governments as well. Whatever techno-utopia there was in the early days, its destruction was inevitable. It would have been so much better had it remained an impenetrable environment for nerds.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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A few weeks ago I noticed DNS4EU couldn’t resolve archive.is and assumed it was just a configuration mistake. I emailed them about it, and after a couple of days or weeks (not really sure) the domain started resolving again. Given AdGuard’s recent report about suspicious pressure on DNS providers to block Archive.today, I’m starting to wonder if DNS4EU’s temporary block was actually related to the same campaign

member of DNS4EU ops team here - This was not the case, we had reachability issues with the authoritative servers of archive.is and had to reach out to the team to allow our source IPs. https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/comments/1ohekv5/updatedn...

Thanks for clearing that up! :)

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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I share your feelings - both the sadness about the path we seem to be going down and the wonder about what the Internet used to be. I do believe, however, that the future does not "exist" in any real sense, but is constructed - every day, little by little, by each and every one of us. What the world will be like in the future is decided by us every day. Put another way - this is a rhetorical question - can do we do a…

I've given up on trying to change the world. > What will the world will be like in the future is decided by us every day. That's the problem. This "us" you're referring to. People. They're the problem. They have no principles. They stand for nothing. They think they do, but the reality is their principles are easily compromised. They are highly susceptible to manipulation by way of emotion. Powerful emotions like ter…

> The internet that connects us also connects criminals, the cryptography that protects us also protects criminals.

Agreed. If only we could also agree that not everyone who thinks this is not a good trade is evil/malignant/stupid etc.

idk - it feels like a simple case of priorities. Freedom and privacy are not everyones

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations. I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated. The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/…

When I accessed archive.ph (ordinary everyday content) during a visit to Italy last week, a legal notice loaded instead from Italy’s cyber authority saying they had blocked access domain-wide over CSAM. I suspected the same M.O. as parent comment describes was operative. I took a screenshot of the notice in case anyone’s interested. Edit: uploaded & available here https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WdSlZK6q1EjdRWzWeKANbjOZV03...

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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> The internet will be destroyed as countries the world over seek to impose all of their silly and incompatible laws on it. > I'm happy to have known the true internet. Truly one of the wonders of humanity. I'm old enough to have been around for the whole thing. I used to kind of share this view, but I don't anymore. I think it's impossible to reconcile this point of view with the obvious observation that huge aspect…

The 90s were a utopian time. I am happy I got to see them, and the early internet. But as a grown-up millennial, I look at my less-connected friends, an I can't help but think id have been better off that way.

But do you think it's something to be dictated to people? I lived more years than anyone in my circle without a smartphone, without any messengers or social networks, and that was solely my own decision, because I was fed up with people glued to their screens. I joined the bandwagon in order to be able to pay my bills, because freelance became unviable, and interaction with coworkers was via Telegram and our github org required 2FA. But doing so was also my own conscious decision.

But you people are trying to use this argument about how dependent the world became on the Internet - which it did of course - to excuse the FORCED withdrawal from the Internet, by the very same entities that pandered its delopment and raked stupid money off it.

Fuck all this nannying the adults about what they should or must do!

P.S. And it's not even that government wants to detox anyone from the Internet dependency or something. They absolutely want people dependent on the Approved Internet, on the government portals, on official news, official messengers, official propaganda - as opposed to one where they can freely communicate, collaborate and think outside of the box of allowed narratives.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Are you saying that cloudflare conducts or promotes DDoS?

The accusation is that cloudflare also refuses to take down ddos for hire sites, which some interpret as them at least condoning such sites, and they benefit from those sites being up because it makes their services necessary. The counterargument to this is that cloudflare doesn't host any content and therefore shouldn't be subject to takedown requests, similar to how you wouldn't send takedown requests to Lumen Tech…

> cloudflare doesn't host any content

They do, they've been a CDN as long as they've been DDoS protection. But they definitely do DDoS protection for a much greater portion of the internet than they host.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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post #59

So they're pressuring a DNS resolver to block a specific website? That seems like an incredibly slippery slope. What stops them from forcing Chrome to block the website, or LetsEncrypt to not issue any more certificates for the domain, or Microsoft and Apple to add them to their firewalls? Hell, can they go after the infrastructure software developers and say, force nginx to add a check and refuse to serve the domain…

> What stops them from forcing Chrome

Amount of money and influence Alphabet has?

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