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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by tuetuopay »

BoppreH wrote: post #59

So they're pressuring a DNS resolver to block a specific website? That seems like an incredibly slippery slope. What stops them from forcing Chrome to block the website, or LetsEncrypt to not issue any more certificates for the domain, or Microsoft and Apple to add them to their firewalls? Hell, can they go after the infrastructure software developers and say, force nginx to add a check and refuse to serve the domain…

Oh trust me, if they could enforce the block at the browser level they would. We're well past the start of the slippery slope here in France when it comes to surveillance and control.

I started with telling ISPs to block websites at the DNS level. The people started using 1.1.1.1, 8.8.8.8, 9.9.9.9 and so on. So now they pressure those third-party DNS providers to do the same. This is why 9.9.9.9 is now unavailable here: they stopped serving France because they did not want to comply.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by ngriffiths »

> a private company shouldn’t have to decide what counts as “illegal” content under threat of legal action.

Immediately reminded me of patio11's amazing write up[1] of debanking, featuring banks being deputized as law enforcement for financial crimes (which is completely non controversial), and even used as a convenient tool to regulate other industries that the white house didn't like (kinda controversial).

[1]: https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/debanking-and-debunki...

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

The Ministry of Truth simply doesn't want unaccounted and uncontrolled snapshots of history. Too much hassle steering the narrative regarding any surfacing truth-now-meant-to-be-lies and vice versa into fake news territory, discrediting by association, cranking up troll farms.. Much easier to make this inconvenience disappear with the due cooperation from the controlled outlets of information.

Then they will come after our local storage, and making it prohibitively expensive is the least malign way they can come up with.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by Buge »

snthd wrote: post #114
M0r13n wrote: post #31

A few weeks ago I noticed DNS4EU couldn’t resolve archive.is and assumed it was just a configuration mistake. I emailed them about it, and after a couple of days or weeks (not really sure) the domain started resolving again. Given AdGuard’s recent report about suspicious pressure on DNS providers to block Archive.today, I’m starting to wonder if DNS4EU’s temporary block was actually related to the same campaign

Archive.is have previously blocked cloudflare DNS because it was anonymizing requests. It could be either. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317 >The archive.is owner has explained that he returns bad results to us because we don’t pass along the EDNS subnet information. This information leaks information about a requester’s IP and, in turn, sacrifices the privacy of users.

Here's my speculation on the underlying reason archive.today blocks Cloudflare DNS: https://webapps.stackexchange.com/a/135229/229725

I speculate it's due to archive.today wanting granular (not overly broad) legal censorship compliance. Which is somewhat related to this post.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by throaway1975 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #133
alansammarone wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I share your feelings - both the sadness about the path we seem to be going down and the wonder about what the Internet used to be. I do believe, however, that the future does not "exist" in any real sense, but is constructed - every day, little by little, by each and every one of us. What the world will be like in the future is decided by us every day. Put another way - this is a rhetorical question - can do we do a…

I've given up on trying to change the world. > What will the world will be like in the future is decided by us every day. That's the problem. This "us" you're referring to. People. They're the problem. They have no principles. They stand for nothing. They think they do, but the reality is their principles are easily compromised. They are highly susceptible to manipulation by way of emotion. Powerful emotions like ter…

Attitudes like yours are ones that "they" want us to adopt. Chat Control just got defeated by people power TWICE. Never ever think that you have no power. Why else would they try to control you?

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by user_7832 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #112
_yb2s wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current federal government in the USA actively encourages federal agents to use illegal and unethical methods, and promised them protection and immunity.

The current federal government of France? Of the EU? The article is not about the USA.

The FBI is the primary party appearing to be in this investigation, and to the best of my knowledge are both of the US (govt), and are federal. (I'm not a US person so please correct me if I'm wrong.)

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by gruez »

Buge wrote: post #160
verisimi wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just one of many protection rackets

Are you saying that cloudflare conducts or promotes DDoS?

The accusation is that cloudflare also refuses to take down ddos for hire sites, which some interpret as them at least condoning such sites, and they benefit from those sites being up because it makes their services necessary. The counterargument to this is that cloudflare doesn't host any content and therefore shouldn't be subject to takedown requests, similar to how you wouldn't send takedown requests to Lumen Technologies (a tier 1 transit provider) because they provide transit to some VPS provider that ultimately hosts the ddos for hire site.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by azalemeth »

alansammarone wrote: post #105
matheusmoreira wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet will be destroyed as countries the world over seek to impose all of their silly and incompatible laws on it. The international network will fracture into multiple national networks with heavy filtering at the borders. I've been making this prediction for years now. Words can hardly capture the sadness I feel when I see evidence of its slow realization. I'm happy to have known the true internet. Truly one…

I share your feelings - both the sadness about the path we seem to be going down and the wonder about what the Internet used to be. I do believe, however, that the future does not "exist" in any real sense, but is constructed - every day, little by little, by each and every one of us. What the world will be like in the future is decided by us every day. Put another way - this is a rhetorical question - can do we do a…

I for one take every consumer survey opportunity to spell out why these things are a bad idea, and routinely contact my elected member of parliament to ask about this - she's sympathetic. The other opportunity to rebel is just to be difficult. Route all your traffic always through an anonymising VPN with defence against traffic analysis. If someone geoip blocks you from making a purchase, reach out to their customer support and gently reeducate them. Spend money on open source things, personally and professionally, and never buy DRM. Advocate for e2ee (I work partly in medicine - this is an easy sell) and highlight how decentralisation and encryption puts power in the hands of practitioners rather than big tech giants. If a large corporation breaks eg gdpr rules, report them to the regulator. Be the change you want to see in the world.

I don't like the way it's going either, but the array of technical solutions from mesh networks like zero tier and tailscale to briar, i2p and freenet right the way through to technologies such as wush, v2ray and x-ray, tor or daita all give me some hope that there will be a technological out for a long while yet. The social issues are best served socially though.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by breppp »

hobs wrote: post #156
breppp wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that and other pedophile linked conspiracy theories (pizzagate) had huge ramifications in these elections

pizzagate = not real, what I just said is not a conspiracy theory.

The jeffery epstein case is real, however the narrative created is similar to pizzagate

"world elite is practicing a child sex ring", this is why it's so compatible with the current vogue bipartisan populism which generally says "your life sucks because of the rich/elites"

jeffery epstein was in reality associated with many politicians, including trump and clinton, as far as I can tell on both sides there is a lot of extrapolation as to what really happened

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