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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by user982 »

breppp wrote: post #62
mchanson wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are naive about cops, at least in the US, and what they will or will not do and what consequence they may or may not face.

I don't think I am naive, just imagine the repercussions of the headline "FBI collected thousands of child rape photos for blackmail" or "Cop work computer was found filled with child porn" Anything linked to pedophilia in the US and elsewhere is without remorse, and will continue that way due to parental fears.

> I don't think I am naive, just imagine the repercussions of the headline "FBI collected thousands of child rape photos for blackmail"

What were the repercussions of this: "FBI ran website sharing thousands of child porn images" (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/21/fbi-ran-websi...)

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by hobs »

breppp wrote: post #62
mchanson wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are naive about cops, at least in the US, and what they will or will not do and what consequence they may or may not face.

I don't think I am naive, just imagine the repercussions of the headline "FBI collected thousands of child rape photos for blackmail" or "Cop work computer was found filled with child porn" Anything linked to pedophilia in the US and elsewhere is without remorse, and will continue that way due to parental fears.

How about "The President was close friends with a known child sexual predator and his entire government spends a significant amount of time covering up their connections because it seems fairly obvious the president fucked teenagers and then fomented a coup and put literal criminals and felons in his cabinet so no one would hold him accountable while destroying the nation's economy and starting wars nobody can even understand"

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by mattmaroon »

attila-lendvai wrote: post #21
mattmaroon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt they’d have to. If the site truly doesn’t remove CSAM automatically I’ve no doubt plenty of it would end up there organically. You wouldn’t have to upload any anywhere, you’d only need to know some URLs to look for which presumably any major law enforcement agency would.

they removed it promptly. remember: god kills a kitten every time you comment/assume something without reading it...

I read the whole thing you just didn’t understand my comment. That’s my fault because I left out one word, “automatically”. Fixed it.

The person to whom I was replying thought that perhaps someone wanting to stop Archive was uploading CSAM and getting them to crawl it. I was pointing out that they didn’t have to do the first step, the internet has lots of that stuff apparently, they merely had to have a list of urls (law enforcement could easily provide) and check Archive for them.

Archive doesn’t do this automatically apparently, as some platforms do, so there’s probably plenty of it there.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by jm4 »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #6

Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations. I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated. The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/…

It’s the digital equivalent of a dirty cop planting a gun after shooting a suspect. Of course it happens. Three letter agencies probably do things like this all the time. Half of their legitimate work is probably illegal to begin with.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by clort »

Zigurd wrote: post #69
mchanson wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are naive about cops, at least in the US, and what they will or will not do and what consequence they may or may not face.

Indeed, if you're paying attention to local news in Massachusetts, you might be shocked, or not, that cops from Canton, Boston, and the Massachusetts state police, and the county District Attorney, and judges, are all complicit in railroading a woman who was dating a cop who was likely killed by another cop. The web of deceit is so thick, it can't have been just for this one case. It must be long-standing and pervasi…

Can you provide link at least? I am not sure what railroading a person involves..

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by ACCount37 »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #61
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #6

Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations. I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated. The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/…

> KF/SaSu/SF SaSu: Sanctioned Suicide [1] But I don't know what KF and SF are supposed to stand for. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctioned_Suicide

KF is almost certainly KiwiFarms, an infamous gossip forum where terminally online mentally ill people come together to make fun of other terminally online mentally ill people. With a large amount of doxxing and harassment accusations being thrown at it. I think harassment is against the site rules, but doxxing isn't. The site, being what it is, got itself some serious enemies. Including people with enough influence in IT space to nearly get the entire site pulled off the web.

SF is probably StormFront, an infamous neo-nazi website. Not an "anyone right of center is a nazi" kind of neo-nazi - actual self-proclaimed neo-nazis, complete with swastikas, Holocaust denial and calls for racial segregation. Even more hated and scrutinized than KiwiFarms, and under pressure by multiple governments and many more activist groups, over things like neo-nazi hate speech and ties with real life hate groups.

It would be a damn shame if archive.is fell under the same kind of scrutiny as those. I have an impression, completely unfounded, that the archive.is crew knew things were heading that way, and worked with that in mind for a long time now. But that doesn't guarantee they'll endure. Just gives them a fighting chance.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by mattmaroon »

mattmaroon wrote: post #73
attila-lendvai wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they removed it promptly. remember: god kills a kitten every time you comment/assume something without reading it...

I read the whole thing you just didn’t understand my comment. That’s my fault because I left out one word, “automatically”. Fixed it. The person to whom I was replying thought that perhaps someone wanting to stop Archive was uploading CSAM and getting them to crawl it. I was pointing out that they didn’t have to do the first step, the internet has lots of that stuff apparently, they merely had to have a list of urls…

Also, it’s quite possible that they normally simply ignore these requests and in this case, they removed it because of it mentioning law enforcement or potential lawsuits and coming from somebody who has the power to block their site from a lot of people.

I’m not saying I know or believe that to be the case, I have no knowledge at all here, but it’s entirely possible archive ignores most of these requests and responded to this one.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by iamnothere »

j-bos wrote: post #56
iamnothere wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know why you are downvoted, this is absolutely what happened semi-frequently until Reddit was finally forced to crack down on it. The same thing happened on Twitter/X for a while where bots would mass reply to targeted users with gore and CSAM.

I've been seeing something similar on some youtube videos, endless unflagged comments advocating hatred and violence, completely unrelated to the video topic or channel.

Interesting, this may suppress reach of the video through something in the YT algorithm.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by codedokode »

Note that association's site is made from this free template [1] with minimal editing (can see it using diff). The web hosting account at name.com (prices starting from $5/year) was registered around Jan 12, 2025 [2]. The page also contains commented out section with a part of French mobile phone number and words "Emergency Standard" (the template contained fictional number here):

               
                  
                      
                      Emergency Standard
                                
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[1] https://www.tooplate.com/view/2117-infinite-loop

[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20250112153727/https://webabused...

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