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"I will care about current wrongs once thousand-year-old wrongs are righted".

Consistency. "This must never stand" vs "This must not stand in this particular case only because it negatively affects my group".

Yes, when you don't care about anything because your ancestors were ousted from the Euphrates delta five thousand years ago, I'm sure consistency will help.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Wasn't Jack Dorsey working on this as well?

I’m pretty sure he vibe coded the thing, or at least the prototype

As usual the HN hivemind disagrees with the facts:

https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-dorsey-bitchat-app-vibe...

https://github.com/permissionlesstech/bitchat/graphs/contrib...

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Can you clarify the difference between "bombing victims" and "people who died from blast injuries"? I'm not seeing it.

This is really splitting hairs, but i think it's: 48% of bombing victims/people who died from blast injury are children of those children 40% were under 10 years of age so .48 * .4 = 0.192 meaning roughly 20% of bomb deaths were under 10. But like if you're having this conversation you've already lost. There's no way to frame it so it's not horrific.

The text does not say "of those children", the text says that 48% of the whole are children, and 40% are under 10 years. I agree it's a little ambiguous, but I read that as meaning that 40% of the total bombing victims were under 10 years.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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post #273

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> Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes Could you provide conclusive evidence for that? Could you provide even cases of formally filed rape allegations? [1] Yes I know that a lot of Israeli media people made the accusation, but there's no reason to repeat something that no proof was given for. [1] https://www.middleeastmo…

There's a UN report on it: https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm This was the conclusion of both UN and EU committees: "the two groups' fighters "committed widespread sexual and gender-based violence in a systematic manner, using it as a weapon of war"" "In July 2025, Hamas was added to the UN's sexual violence blacklist" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violen... As well as individual res…

Hi, your mention of the UN report made me look at the actual report in an effort to find the truth of the matter. So let's go deeper into the UN report as it's often cited as a proof of rape, but as we'll see by the end of it, there isn't actually any evidence for it other than "people said" (for more context of why I'm dismissing this, look at the points below and especially at the end of this post). Please do double-check and correct me if I reach a wrong conclusion somewhere. Here's the link to the full report by Pramila Patten published around early March 2024: [1].

The key points based on which I say that there is no proper evidence are the following:

> 34. The mission team, specifically the forensic pathologist and the digital analyst, reviewed over 5,000 photos, around 50 hours and several audio files of footage of the attacks, provided partly by various state agencies and through an independent online review of various open sources, to identify potential instances and indications of conflict-related sexual violence.

So there is plenty of photo and video material from surveillance devices. Good. But, we have a few lines mentioning something very similar to this:

> 16. [...] With respect to the latter instance, while the forensic analysis reviewed injuries to intimate body parts, no discernible pattern could be identified, against either female or male soldiers.

Further searching of the word "forensic" reveals nothing conclusive about rape. Just notes that there were injuries to intimate body parts, which is expected when bodies are blown up by tank and helicopter fire (which was confirmed to have happened during the fighting). The report does not comment whether the injuries were inflicted specifically by hand-to-hand combat weapons and small personal arms.

Now, searching for the word rape, it appears throughout the report, but only ever to point out that "there are reasons to believe that it happened", but no proof is ever given, only statements by other people. A reminder that there is a lot of surveillance photo and video material, but none of it supported the claims. For example:

> 74. In the medicolegal assessment of available photos and videos, no tangible indications of rape could be identified. Further investigation may alter this assessment in the future.

And an example of rescue teams' statements that are used as sources for the accusations:

> 13. At the Nova music festival and its surroundings, there are reasonable grounds to believe that multiple incidents of sexual violence took place with victims being subjected to rape and/or gang rape and then killed or killed while being raped. Credible sources described finding 5 murdered individuals, mostly women, whose bodies were naked from their waist down – and some totally naked – tied with their hands behind their backs, many of whom were shot in the head.

Please let me know if you find something in the report that represents credible evidence of rape. I'd like to see it because I care about the truth. We know that Israel rapes Palestinians in their torture prisons because we have not only victim testimonies (that we ultimately cannot take as solid proof even if they are true), but we have actual video evidence that was released of them doing that to a prisoner on surveillance camera footage. And there is an ongoing trial where the rapists are parading around the media in Israel and proudly defending their rights to torture prisoners, including via rape. And unfortunately they have a lot of support in the country. So if Palestinian resistance fighters did the same, I want to know. But we'll need proper evidence.

One final question remains to be answered here -- why don't I think that Israelis making these claims should simply be believed? Because they lied so many times that now when Israelis make a claim, it is on them to prove that the claim is correct, rather than on others to prove that it is not. Just a few examples off the top of my head include:

- The killing of medical workers in a convoy of ambulances and burying them in shallow graves, then lying about doing it until someone dug the bodies up and found footage confirming that they lied on the phone of one of the buried aid workers. [2]

- The hunting down and killing of World Central Kitchen aid workers via multiple air strikes [3]. This was repeatedly denied by Israelis until too much evidence was stacked up and they settled for "it was a grave mistake".

- The high profile case of killing of Hind Rajab [4] who for a brief period of time was the sole survivor of a tank attack in a shelled vehicle filled with her dead family members. Aid workers were dispatched to rescue here, coordinated with Israelis. Neither the girl nor the aid workers were ever seen alive after that. Israelis repeatedly insisted that there were no troops in the area, until too much evidence was stacked again.

As for your video of an alleged pPlestinian fighter admitting to atrocities with an Israeli flag behind him, we obviously cannot take seriously a statement made in imprisonment, highly likely obtained under torture, given the vast evidence of torture (including actual rape) being conducted in Israeli prisons.

[1] https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/wp-content/uploa...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-isr...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Central_Kitchen_aid_conv...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes Could you provide conclusive evidence for that? Could you provide even cases of formally filed rape allegations? [1] Yes I know that a lot of Israeli media people made the accusation, but there's no reason to repeat something that no proof was given for. [1] https://www.middleeastmo…

> Could you provide conclusive evidence for that? Could you provide even cases of formally filed rape allegations? It's pretty crazy how far the Overton Window has shifted on Jews. We went from it being prima facie evidence of antisemitism to even "notice" their disproportionate influence on, or over-representation in, certain American institutions, like the Supreme Court--as shown when Pat Buchanan got soft-canceled…

It is important to distinguish between Jews and Israelis, as there is a significant portion of Jewish people who are leading the fight for truth about what Israel is and what Israel does.

To address your comment, Israelis have been caught lying so many times that now when they make a claim, it is on them to prove that the claim is correct, rather than on others to prove that it is not. Just a few examples off the top of my head include:

- The killing of medical workers in a convoy of ambulances and burying them in shallow graves, then lying about doing it until someone dug the bodies up and found footage confirming that they lied on the phone of one of the buried aid workers. [1]

- The hunting down and killing of World Central Kitchen aid workers via multiple air strikes [2]. This was repeatedly denied by Israelis until too much evidence was stacked up and they settled for "it was a grave mistake".

- The high profile case of killing of Hind Rajab [3] who for a brief period of time was the sole survivor of a tank attack in a shelled vehicle filled with her dead family members. Aid workers were dispatched to rescue here, coordinated with Israelis. Neither the girl nor the aid workers were ever seen alive after that. Israelis repeatedly insisted that there were no troops in the area, until too much evidence was stacked again.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-isr...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Central_Kitchen_aid_conv...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Guess which building first demolished to the ground by Israel military in Gaza at the beginning of the conflict? No price of getting the right answer, it's the Watan Tower building that also hosted most of Gaza Internet Sevice Provider (ISP) companies including Paltel and Jawwal and their infrastructure. It was also a hub for several international media outlets, including the Associated Press and Al Jazeera [1],[2].…

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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I imagine Gaza may currently be one of the most difficult environments to write software code in. I happily admit that I would not be able to be productive in such an environment - my environment here in Europe is really quite sheltered (guess this also depends on where one lives; areas close to Russia may not feel as comfortable as in central Europe or Western Europe). The only distraction I have here is youtube mus…

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Neo Nazis? Nice propaganda. If Ukrainians are Nazis,then so is Russia,US and rest of the World,since you'll find weirdos with extreme beliefs in every country. The same way you can just call Palestinians terrorists because they killed bunch of people in Europe decades ago and celebrated the 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo attacks.

They called Palestinians terrorists because they beheaded, mutilated, gang raped, lit on fire (and more) over a thousand civilians on October 7, 2023.

Feel free to watch the video evidence: https://www.hamas-massacre.net/.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Guess which building first demolished to the ground by Israel military in Gaza at the beginning of the conflict? No price of getting the right answer, it's the Watan Tower building that also hosted most of Gaza Internet Sevice Provider (ISP) companies including Paltel and Jawwal and their infrastructure. It was also a hub for several international media outlets, including the Associated Press and Al Jazeera [1],[2].…

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