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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by JuniperMesos »

hashim wrote: post #252
klipt wrote: post #217

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The Arab states did ethnically cleanse hundreds of thousands of indigenous Mizrahi Jews: https://justiceforjews.com/

Yes, that can only have been the Arabs, as long as we ignore this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Plan and all subsequent Zionist programmes to fulfil the stated goal of Zionism since the 19th century, to import as many Jews as possible into Palestine to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian population (Muslim, Jew, and Christian) living there for almost a thousand years.

"Jews will not replace us", huh

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Post by [deleted] »

immibis wrote: post #207
RandomNickname wrote: post #204

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People are concerned about Palestine because we're the ones doing it indirectly. It's not US or European troops on the ground, but it's almost entirely funded by the US and Europe and our governments fully support it and help it to keep going. Whereas the war in Sudan, while also very bad, isn't our fault. Maybe if we could get our own governments to stop bombing little children, after that we could consider interven…

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

culi wrote: post #249
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #210

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> Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative Why not? 40% of bombing victims in Gaza are under 10. What fraction of the population is? How does that compare to Ukraine’s demographic and bombing victim distributions? These are valid questions for contextualising a conflict.

The majority of deaths in Gaza are women and children. Nearly 70%.[1] The reason we talk about "women and children" in Gaza is because Israel can accuse any adult man of being a militant. Statistics from Ukraine are harder to get but according to the OHCR,[2] we know that 39% of non-combatant casualties are women and less than 5% are children. What percent of total deaths are civilians is the hard part, but in Donbas…

> So we have a 70% women/children rate vs about a 11% (very very roughly calculated) women/children rate

Sure. This is how "comparing it to the war in Ukraine" is both helpful and informative.

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Post by nandomrumber »

soulofmischief wrote: post #197
nandomrumber wrote: post #193

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> Palestinians have treated their hostages as well as they could 82 of the 251 hostages taken by Hamas on Oct 7th were killed. Give ‘em hell Netanyahu.

It's either a gross ignorance or gross deceit to compare those numbers to the amount of civilians who have been killed during the Palestinian genocide. A terrorist attack doesn't give you the right to ignore human rights. The international criminal court has an arrest warrant for Netanyahu. He is a war criminal. Get your facts straight.

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by pksebben »

immibis wrote: post #205
nickff wrote: post #172

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The website you linked to specifies a subtly different thing from what you’re asserting: > ”Forty-eight percent of the people who died from blast injuries among our colleagues' households were children and 40 percent were under 10 years old.” That is quite different from saying that “ 40% of the bombing victims in Gaza are under 10 years old”.

Can you clarify the difference between "bombing victims" and "people who died from blast injuries"? I'm not seeing it.

This is really splitting hairs, but i think it's:

48% of bombing victims/people who died from blast injury are children

of those children 40% were under 10 years of age

so .48 * .4 = 0.192 meaning roughly 20% of bomb deaths were under 10.

But like if you're having this conversation you've already lost. There's no way to frame it so it's not horrific.

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Post by sebastos »

hashim wrote: post #241
sebastos wrote: post #212

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The conversation is about trying to do everyday activities inside of a combat zone. The international community's opinion about the war is, I should think this is obvious, not the relevant factor. It doesn't matter what people think of the war, only that _there is war_. I think it's safe to say that Ukraine and Gaza are both plenty distracting places to work. That said, even though it's totally off-topic, I can't hel…

It's convenient that your knowledge of what "started" begins on October 7th and all the events of history prior since 1948 never happened, or you just don't care they did. Average Westerner knowledge of Western history, I understand. Yes, they have consistently toppled governments, meddled in the affairs of other countries, and enabled and funded colonalism and imperialism wherever they went. Although the good news i…

> It's convenient that your knowledge of what "started" begins on October 7th and all the events of history prior since 1948 never happened

What it comes down to is whether you can admit that the events of October 7th provoked a new military campaign that would not otherwise have happened. You can either admit that, or you can admit that you’re just going to what-about no matter what happens, and never speak honestly about the asymmetry between the way these two sides have conducted themselves (and can be expected to continue conducting themselves).

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Post by [deleted] »

shevy-java wrote: post #91

I imagine Gaza may currently be one of the most difficult environments to write software code in. I happily admit that I would not be able to be productive in such an environment - my environment here in Europe is really quite sheltered (guess this also depends on where one lives; areas close to Russia may not feel as comfortable as in central Europe or Western Europe). The only distraction I have here is youtube mus…

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Post by vladgur »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #250
vladgur wrote: post #203

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Lets make the order of operatons clear. 1) Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes as well as taking hundreds of civilians hostage, including as we all know an toddlers, womens and elderly. 2) Israel in order to rescue its citizens as well as protect them from future attacked invaded Gaza and attacked Hammas and its infrast…

> Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes Could you provide conclusive evidence for that? Could you provide even cases of formally filed rape allegations? [1] Yes I know that a lot of Israeli media people made the accusation, but there's no reason to repeat something that no proof was given for. [1] https://www.middleeastmo…

Im not going to engage in "Hamas slaughered festival goers on camera, killed a father in front of his kids, while blowing out one their eyes and kidnapped toddlers, but we will question the sex crimes being committed".

Is protecting the killers of families, babies and kidnappers of toddlers from accusations of sexual assault really the proverbial "hill you want to die on"?

Lets focus on order of operatons:

1) Hamas started a war

2) Israel responded in order to free its citizens and protect from future attacks.

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Post by mcny »

andrepd wrote: post #220
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #210

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> Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative Why not? 40% of bombing victims in Gaza are under 10. What fraction of the population is? How does that compare to Ukraine’s demographic and bombing victim distributions? These are valid questions for contextualising a conflict.

Unfortunately the reality in Gaza is way more severe than the reality in Ukraine in nearly every conceivable metric: deaths, famine, buildings destroyed, farms, schools, hospitals, journalists killed, shortages (by blockade) of essential goods... And Ukraine is a massive war with over a million casualties, so imagine that.

Just the fact that there is now a whole generation of children who have missed over two years of school.

One child missing two years of school is already a tragedy. A whole generation missing school, starving, under constant risk of violence and death, this is the first thing I think of when I think of Gaza.

I'm not even a Palestine "supporter" but I will not longer support the state of Israel for any reason, even if the "good guys" come to power.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by pksebben »

TIL what the green names mean on HN (new account).

I once worked in an Information Operations group. It has left me deeply suspicious of the verisimilitude of online personae. One of the things I appreciate about HN is the ability to check whether I'm talking to a human, and whether they have a cohesive sentiment.

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