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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by culi »

samtheprogram wrote: post #231
shevy-java wrote: post #91

I imagine Gaza may currently be one of the most difficult environments to write software code in. I happily admit that I would not be able to be productive in such an environment - my environment here in Europe is really quite sheltered (guess this also depends on where one lives; areas close to Russia may not feel as comfortable as in central Europe or Western Europe). The only distraction I have here is youtube mus…

> I happily admit that I would not be able to be productive in such an environment No shit. 80%+ percent of the country is rubble.

To be more precise — in the UN's analysis using satellite imagery they estimated 81% to 84% of all buildings have been damaged or destroyed as of October 2025. That percentage also includes 90% of all residential buildings

https://theconversation.com/--267431

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by hashim »

klipt wrote: post #217
hashim wrote: post #208

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Has Sudan also been going on 70 years with the help of the Brits and active funding of the Americans, then? Have hundreds of thousands died in any country and even more expelled (ethnically cleansed) in the world since 1948 apart from Palestine? No? Then your whataboutism is childish and your deflection is obvious.

The Arab states did ethnically cleanse hundreds of thousands of indigenous Mizrahi Jews: https://justiceforjews.com/

Yes, that can only have been the Arabs, as long as we ignore this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Plan and all subsequent Zionist programmes to fulfil the stated goal of Zionism since the 19th century, to import as many Jews as possible into Palestine to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian population (Muslim, Jew, and Christian) living there for almost a thousand years.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by serf »

immibis wrote: post #207
RandomNickname wrote: post #204

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People are concerned about Palestine because we're the ones doing it indirectly. It's not US or European troops on the ground, but it's almost entirely funded by the US and Europe and our governments fully support it and help it to keep going. Whereas the war in Sudan, while also very bad, isn't our fault. Maybe if we could get our own governments to stop bombing little children, after that we could consider interven…

>Whereas the war in Sudan, while also very bad, isn't our fault

bullshit. [0][1][2]

[0]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2012/4/21/obama-urges-talks-b...

[1]: https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/11/11/how-obama-betrayed-suda...

[2]: https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/01/13/obamas-premature-easing-...

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by IlikeMadison »

hashim wrote: post #252
klipt wrote: post #217

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The Arab states did ethnically cleanse hundreds of thousands of indigenous Mizrahi Jews: https://justiceforjews.com/

Yes, that can only have been the Arabs, as long as we ignore this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Plan and all subsequent Zionist programmes to fulfil the stated goal of Zionism since the 19th century, to import as many Jews as possible into Palestine to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian population (Muslim, Jew, and Christian) living there for almost a thousand years.

What about the Trans-Saharan slave trade, Red Sea slave trade and Indian Ocean slave trade operated by Arab Muslims and lasting over 1300 years? Why are Arab countries not criticizing Israel as much as European ones? How come there have been no massive public demonstration in support of Palestine anywhere else than the West in general? Where are the Arab countries when the EU denounced and recognized the genocide of Uyghurs in China?

Just look at yourself in the mirror and come back commenting.

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Post by tguvot »

wk_end wrote: post #171
YZF wrote: post #151

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I very genuinely - in the interest of consuming a diverse set of inputs! - would love to see some sources that persuasively, with evidence, can demonstrate a vision of the ground in Gaza that runs counter to what seems absolutely obvious to everyone following the war. A world of luxury cars, high-end iPhones, relaxing afternoons spent in cafés on street corners? After two years of relentless bombing, a near-total blo…

iphone 17 pro max been for sale in gaza for 2 weeks already https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sk600009gk11e . and there are open cafes and restaurants. and new one are build. for example this one called nova: https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/10/12/coincidence-beach-sid...

gaza is very uneven now. there are people who live in rubble and there are people who buy latest iphones and chill in restaurants

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Post by int_19h »

hashim wrote: post #241
sebastos wrote: post #212

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The conversation is about trying to do everyday activities inside of a combat zone. The international community's opinion about the war is, I should think this is obvious, not the relevant factor. It doesn't matter what people think of the war, only that _there is war_. I think it's safe to say that Ukraine and Gaza are both plenty distracting places to work. That said, even though it's totally off-topic, I can't hel…

It's convenient that your knowledge of what "started" begins on October 7th and all the events of history prior since 1948 never happened, or you just don't care they did. Average Westerner knowledge of Western history, I understand. Yes, they have consistently toppled governments, meddled in the affairs of other countries, and enabled and funded colonalism and imperialism wherever they went. Although the good news i…

> Although the good news is that Israel is and will be the last true Western colonial state.

What do you think Russia is?

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by int_19h »

hashim wrote: post #206
shmulkey18 wrote: post #200

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The defense of murder, rape, Holocaust denial, blood libels -- all grist for the Bitchat for Gaza and HN mill. Man, what a tidal wave of antisemitism we're experiencing.

Yes, antisemitism, in the same way it was anti-Americanism for the Viet Cong to resist the American occupation of Vietnam and that famous terrorist Mandela to resist apartheid South Africa. Desperate people who have heinous things done on them for 70 years do desperate, heinous things, and no-one is more desperate and more wronged than the Palestinians. Again, 70 years. It's almost like Europeans don't belong in the…

Thing is, that motivation doesn't make the heinous acts any less heinous.

When Viet Kong tortured and executed civilians who happened to be opposed to their ideology, that was wrong.

When South African revolutionaries bombed churches, that was wrong.

We should absolutely be holding Israel to account for all its crimes, but that does not imply whitewashing Hamas.

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Post by iamnothere »

spwa4 wrote: post #170
iamnothere wrote: post #31

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Exactly. With Chat Control being revived again in the EU, various VPN bans being proposed in US states, and ID verification rolling out seemingly everywhere, this kind of tech may end up being more useful than people expect. If it works in the extremely adversarial environment of a warzone, it should work fine here.

How is this a solution to Chat Control and EU law? If this is used, governments will simply demand Apple and Google get the app declared forbidden, which both have done to apps for many reasons. Worse: they might demand a list of people who have it installed (and this violates the Chat Control law of course). Even worse: this app turns out to be written by a security agency or scammers and starts exploiting people.

If they are demanding a list of people who have apps installed, you have two options: lie down like a dog or get in the streets and fight. If you think it’s going to get to that point, you need tools like this even more.

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Post by [deleted] »

berdario wrote: post #160
praptak wrote: post #152

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Even in Ukraine it's quite possible to code. I worked at Google with people who stayed in Ukraine after Russia started the war. I can't say they were unaffected - there was stuff like meetings interrupted by missile alerts - but they managed to do normal work despite the ongoing war.

40% of the bombing victims in Gaza are under 10 years old https://msf.org.uk/article/gaza-msf-survey-shows-almost-half... Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative, to understand the condition under which Palestinians are surviving.

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