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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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The conversation is about trying to do everyday activities inside of a combat zone. The international community's opinion about the war is, I should think this is obvious, not the relevant factor. It doesn't matter what people think of the war, only that _there is war_. I think it's safe to say that Ukraine and Gaza are both plenty distracting places to work. That said, even though it's totally off-topic, I can't hel…

It's convenient that your knowledge of what "started" begins on October 7th and all the events of history prior since 1948 never happened, or you just don't care they did. Average Westerner knowledge of Western history, I understand.

Yes, they have consistently toppled governments, meddled in the affairs of other countries, and enabled and funded colonalism and imperialism wherever they went. Although the good news is that Israel is and will be the last true Western colonial state. Also, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just forgot the wars they themselves started, like Iraq over the lie that was WMD and the small matter of 500,000 dead Iraqis - I can assure you the Western governments involved have not condemned it, but they did give Blair a Nobel Peace Prize, so that's something.

Your last sentence is laughable and too historically ignorant to bother responding to, but since its AI-generated I thankfully don't need to give it that courtesy.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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I don't know about that, if settlers in the West Bank cop some violence then that's going to be considered well deserved. Soldiers of 'a government' committing murder, rape and hostage taking on a music festival is going to earn you a bit of looking away to the consequences. I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal not sacrifice everything in an eternal and vain attempt to remove Israel from…

> I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal Well that is what they did. People like you told shite like "The war ends if they release the hostages". They agreed to the first step of the peace plan. They released the hostages. They are keeping the truce. (Israel claims they killed a few soldiers but that seem to be a lie, they probably died from explosive that were already lying around). So wh…

> They released the hostages

The deal included remains of deceased hostages, most of which were not released at the agreed 48 hour point.

> they probably died from explosive that were already lying around

The source behind this theory seemed to be a tweet claiming "I’m told by a source familiar", and another tweet which was explicitly speculating ("most likely due to an explosive device ..."). No evidence was offered.

> While the Palestinians have treated their hostages as well as they could even when Gaza was starving

A UN envoy found "clear and convincing information that some [hostages] have been subjected to various forms of conflict-related sexual violence including rape and sexualized torture and sexualized cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment".

Evyatar David also appeared to be the most severely malnourished adult in Gaza, while being forced to dig his own grave.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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The website you linked to specifies a subtly different thing from what you’re asserting: > ”Forty-eight percent of the people who died from blast injuries among our colleagues' households were children and 40 percent were under 10 years old.” That is quite different from saying that “ 40% of the bombing victims in Gaza are under 10 years old”.

Can you clarify the difference between "bombing victims" and "people who died from blast injuries"? I'm not seeing it.

The "among our colleagues' households" is the key part. It's not generalizable to the whole of Gaza.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Yes, antisemitism, in the same way it was anti-Americanism for the Viet Cong to resist the American occupation of Vietnam and that famous terrorist Mandela to resist apartheid South Africa. Desperate people who have heinous things done on them for 70 years do desperate, heinous things, and no-one is more desperate and more wronged than the Palestinians. Again, 70 years. It's almost like Europeans don't belong in the…

I'm really interested in your reasoning, specifically this part: > It's almost like Europeans don't belong in the Middle East. What is "European" in this case and where do they belong? Do we measure by skin tone, genetics or language? What about birth place? Wherever and whoever you are, your ancestors have definitely killed to be there, which lead you to being here somewhere. So, where do we send white people? Can w…

Europeans are people, then and now, whose families have lived in European lands for hundreds of years, but believe they have the biblical right to "return" to a land they have no connection to and "settle on" (steal) the land and houses of Palestinians whose families have lived in those lands for almost a thousand years. This is common sense, and you know full well you would never entertain such a claim from a holy book of any other religion. No amount of semantic games and moving the goalposts changes this fact, or the fact that most "returning" Israelis were European Jews who changed their names to conceal that fact.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Even in Ukraine it's quite possible to code. I worked at Google with people who stayed in Ukraine after Russia started the war. I can't say they were unaffected - there was stuff like meetings interrupted by missile alerts - but they managed to do normal work despite the ongoing war.

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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> but as German if I made that point publicly in regards to Palestine I would get arrested. I am not exaggerating What are you talking about? I'm also German but nobody is getting arrested here for that. I literally walked past a pro Palestine protests 1h ago.

They are regularly arresting people and police brutality has gotten so bad that even the international press is taking note: > Irish officials express 'concern' after Irish protestor left bloodied by police in Berlin https://www.irishpost.com/news/irish-officials-express-conce... > Footage circulating on X shows police using brute force to push back protesters, with at least 28 people arrested, according to police re…

Ok so the Irish guy got punched in the face after doing that:

> as O'Brien is seen calling officers 'genocide supporters' and accusing one of 'acting like a Nazi'.

If you scream at peoples faces and insult them, you risk getting punched in the face. Police or not. Would be more professional to ignore that. But this is not a state systematically coming after you for voicing opinions. If you want to see a real example of that, look no further than Hamas.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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40% of the bombing victims in Gaza are under 10 years old https://msf.org.uk/article/gaza-msf-survey-shows-almost-half... Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative, to understand the condition under which Palestinians are surviving.

> Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative Why not? 40% of bombing victims in Gaza are under 10. What fraction of the population is? How does that compare to Ukraine’s demographic and bombing victim distributions? These are valid questions for contextualising a conflict.

The majority of deaths in Gaza are women and children. Nearly 70%.[1] The reason we talk about "women and children" in Gaza is because Israel can accuse any adult man of being a militant. Statistics from Ukraine are harder to get but according to the OHCR,[2] we know that 39% of non-combatant casualties are women and less than 5% are children. What percent of total deaths are civilians is the hard part, but in Donbas about 25% of casualties were civilian.[3]

  (.39 + .05) * .25 = .11
So we have a 70% women/children rate vs about a 11% (very very roughly calculated) women/children rate. Yes the nature of these conflicts are extremely different.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

[2] https://www.ohchr.org/en/meeting-summaries/2023/07/ukraine-c...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrain...

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Sure. Just look at how they're doing now: they have the full support of the world to re-invade Gaza, and this can be justified by the fact that no Jews live there (Just look three comments above yours: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45932249 ) If there were Israeli Jews (I am not referring to the religious group, but by which side of the conflict people are on) living in Gaza, such arguments wouldn't work, just…

Lets make the order of operatons clear. 1) Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes as well as taking hundreds of civilians hostage, including as we all know an toddlers, womens and elderly. 2) Israel in order to rescue its citizens as well as protect them from future attacked invaded Gaza and attacked Hammas and its infrast…

> Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes

Could you provide conclusive evidence for that? Could you provide even cases of formally filed rape allegations? [1] Yes I know that a lot of Israeli media people made the accusation, but there's no reason to repeat something that no proof was given for.

[1] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250106-no-rape-allegatio...

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