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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by samtheprogram »

shevy-java wrote: post #91

I imagine Gaza may currently be one of the most difficult environments to write software code in. I happily admit that I would not be able to be productive in such an environment - my environment here in Europe is really quite sheltered (guess this also depends on where one lives; areas close to Russia may not feel as comfortable as in central Europe or Western Europe). The only distraction I have here is youtube mus…

> I happily admit that I would not be able to be productive in such an environment

No shit. 80%+ percent of the country is rubble.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by mattmaroon »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #210
berdario wrote: post #160

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40% of the bombing victims in Gaza are under 10 years old https://msf.org.uk/article/gaza-msf-survey-shows-almost-half... Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative, to understand the condition under which Palestinians are surviving.

> Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative Why not? 40% of bombing victims in Gaza are under 10. What fraction of the population is? How does that compare to Ukraine’s demographic and bombing victim distributions? These are valid questions for contextualising a conflict.

Actually the answer is almost 40%. Gaza had a young and fast growing (one of the fastest in the world) population before the war. Some estimates even indicate their population has continued to grow (though at a very reduced rate) even during, but no reliable statistics have been collected.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by UltraSane »

jeromegv wrote: post #139
UltraSane wrote: post #122

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"they might have a right to resist " How do you define this? Killing Israel soldiers. Or killing hundreds of civilians at a concert and parading the dead body of a young woman around like a hunting trophy like Hamas did on Oct 7 2023? The main problem is that Palestinians think they can defeat Israel with force but they can't.

> How do you define this? Would you not try to resist if you were to live in an open-air prison like Gaza? What if you lived in the West Bank and someone came to knock on your door and tell you that settlers were now taking over your land your family has lived in for hundreds of years and the bulldozer was coming the same afternoon to destroy your house, how would you react? I never condone attacking civilians, but i…

The only reason Gaza is a "prison" is because Hamas staged hundreds of suicide bombings from it.

ALL of the problems in Gaza are caused by Palestinians trying to defeat Israel with force when they simply can't.

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Post by UltraSane »

clanky wrote: post #147
UltraSane wrote: post #125

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Hamas is is a totalitarian theocracy that kills opponents to it.

Hamas is killing traitors from criminal gangs who aligned with Israel during the conflict in the hopes of getting their 30 pieces of silver.

Hamas supporters like you really make my skin crawl. Remember when they massacred hundreds of people at a concert and paraded the body of a young German woman they murdered like a hunting trophy? Is that what you support?

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Post by UltraSane »

LightBug1 wrote: post #155
UltraSane wrote: post #128

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Irrational? That's like saying the Allies response to the Nazi's was irrational. Come to think of it, maybe that's the solution. After WW2 the Allies "DeNazified" Germany by dismantling Nazi organizations, removing Nazis from public life, and trying prominent war criminals. It also included symbolic actions like changing street names, as well as re-educating the German population in democratic values. I'm keenly awar…

Hamas's explicit goal is to destroy Israel.

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Post by koakuma-chan »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #184
praptak wrote: post #152

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Even in Ukraine it's quite possible to code. I worked at Google with people who stayed in Ukraine after Russia started the war. I can't say they were unaffected - there was stuff like meetings interrupted by missile alerts - but they managed to do normal work despite the ongoing war.

I have a couple of programmers currently in ukraine. Unless you are in a war zone there is low risk and life is mostly normal. Only risk right now is no electricity or getting snatched on the street to be sent to war.

I had a colleague in Ukraine and one day we joined the daily meeting and the team lead announced that guy is detained by that Ukranian org that abducts people. I never heard from him again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Center_of_Recruitm...

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by [deleted] »

klipt wrote: post #218
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #214

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> Have hundreds of thousands died in any country and even more expelled (ethnically cleansed) in the world since 1948 apart from Palestine? What? Seriously?! It isn’t even in the top ten! The partition of India. Zanzibar. Nigeria. The Khmer Rouge. The Cultural Revolution. The invasion and annexation of Tibet. Indonesia. Bangladesh. Rwanda. Idi Amin. The Kurds. Srebrenica. Biafra. The Khmer Rouge. Guetemala. The Cultu…

Not to mention the Arab states also ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of indigenous Mizrahi Jews: https://justiceforjews.com/

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by dmbche »

tuna-piano wrote: post #226
nickff wrote: post #172

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The website you linked to specifies a subtly different thing from what you’re asserting: > ”Forty-eight percent of the people who died from blast injuries among our colleagues' households were children and 40 percent were under 10 years old.” That is quite different from saying that “ 40% of the bombing victims in Gaza are under 10 years old”.

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Oh boy

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by ashirviskas »

hashim wrote: post #206
shmulkey18 wrote: post #200

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The defense of murder, rape, Holocaust denial, blood libels -- all grist for the Bitchat for Gaza and HN mill. Man, what a tidal wave of antisemitism we're experiencing.

Yes, antisemitism, in the same way it was anti-Americanism for the Viet Cong to resist the American occupation of Vietnam and that famous terrorist Mandela to resist apartheid South Africa. Desperate people who have heinous things done on them for 70 years do desperate, heinous things, and no-one is more desperate and more wronged than the Palestinians. Again, 70 years. It's almost like Europeans don't belong in the…

I'm really interested in your reasoning, specifically this part:

> It's almost like Europeans don't belong in the Middle East.

What is "European" in this case and where do they belong? Do we measure by skin tone, genetics or language? What about birth place?

Wherever and whoever you are, your ancestors have definitely killed to be there, which lead you to being here somewhere.

So, where do we send white people? Can we do the same for asians/christians/arabs/blacks/people with glasses? And most important, what do we do with mixed heritage people? How pure must the blood be to consider them of some certain "race"?

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