Denmark has a month and a half as EU presidency to go. I still don't get why they want this to be their legacy so badly.
Presumably someone is paying really well to push this over and over again.
The disguised return of EU Chat Control
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
That they're so damn tired being milked and oppressed by the organized crime groups calling themselves governments, maybe?
That strain of libertarian rhetoric is overwhelmingly encountered on American-dominated fora. I won’t say it doesn’t exist in Europe, since Europeans can pick up on American internet culture, too, but it is too marginal in Europe to affect politics much. There is no significant libertarian party in the EU. Some of the far-right parties stoking and benefiting from popular discontent even promise to uphold the welfare…
Are you aware that anti-big-government and pro-privacy political philosophy is not limited to (the joke that is) American right-libertarianism?
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#143It will eventually pass, it's EU after all.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gotta make sure you aren’t saying the wrong things, like criticising rich and powerful people.
people have been doing that for a long time, but the level of urgency from the system hasn’t been at this level.
It's because they have finally found the perfect trojan horse—"think of the children!"—in a time when people are too busy entertaining themselves to death.
This is their best chance for them to enact mass surveillance, before the hoi polloi crack and finally get out of their couches.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
That they're so damn tired being milked and oppressed by the organized crime groups calling themselves governments, maybe?
That strain of libertarian rhetoric is overwhelmingly encountered on American-dominated fora. I won’t say it doesn’t exist in Europe, since Europeans can pick up on American internet culture, too, but it is too marginal in Europe to affect politics much. There is no significant libertarian party in the EU. Some of the far-right parties stoking and benefiting from popular discontent even promise to uphold the welfare…
Half of Europe has living memories of oppressive governments, from fascism in Franco's Spain to communism in East Europe.
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#146I guess pretty much all of us will become criminals if this passes. Have a phone that is running GrapheneOS you are a potential criminal. Running linux probably also a potential criminal.
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#147Denmark has a month and a half as EU presidency to go. I still don't get why they want this to be their legacy so badly.
There are monied interests and special interest groups behind it. No matter who is at the head, it will continue to be pushed by these interests.
Europol, Julie Cordua (CEO of Thorn), Cathal Delaney, former Europol who now is on Thorn's board, Alan Parker, billionaire and founder of the Oak Foundation that's been bankrolling the fake charities lobbying for chat control, Chris Cohn, another billionaire and hedge fund manager who has been funding anti-encryption lobbying in both the US and the EU, Sarah Gardner, former Thorn employee and part of the network of fake charities lobbying to ban encryption. SHe also focuses on lobbying in the US as well, and Maciej Szpunnar, Polish Advocate General and the European court of justice, wants to use chat control for prosecuting copyright infringement.
And don't forget Peter Hummelgaard: "We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communite on encrypted messaging services."
So you have a few billionaires running lobbying organizations disguised as fake "for the children" charities that operate in both the EU and the US, Europol, and a group of powerful people that are fundamentally opposed to privacy.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
That strain of libertarian rhetoric is overwhelmingly encountered on American-dominated fora. I won’t say it doesn’t exist in Europe, since Europeans can pick up on American internet culture, too, but it is too marginal in Europe to affect politics much. There is no significant libertarian party in the EU. Some of the far-right parties stoking and benefiting from popular discontent even promise to uphold the welfare…
Are you aware that anti-big-government and pro-privacy political philosophy is not limited to (the joke that is) American right-libertarianism?
Not as a major political force to which Denmark’s Chat Control could be responding as the OP claims. Moreover, expressions like “milked and oppressed” ring American libertarianism to the ears of this European poster who is familiar with long years of European cypherpunk activism.
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#149I guessed the term Chat Control had to be made up by opponents of the legislation, so searched for the real name. The official name of the legislation is: “Proposal for a Regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council laying down rules to prevent and combat child sexual abuse” (COM/2022/209 FINAL). It is often referenced more simply as the “Child Sexual Abuse Regulation” (CSA Regulation).
Oof good luck trying to convince a popular vote against that.
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#150The "risk-mitigation" loophole in EU Chat Control uses the same vague, discretionary language in the Digital Services Act that Elon Musk and others warned lets regulators coerce platforms into censorship and surveillance.
I think "oops" or "d'oh" are the phrases we're looking for here.