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Will Rails be the new PHP?

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Re: Will Rails be the new PHP?

#21
post #10

The level of elitism in the Ruby and by extension Rails communities never ceases to amaze me. Having attended several ruby and rails conferences over the last few years, the belief that Ruby is the language of "good programmers" is so prevalent as to be off putting.

They aren't mere programmers, they're "rockstar ninjas" (in their own minds).

Re: Will Rails be the new PHP?

#23
post #6

um no? PHP "has a relatively small community, with the majority of people working under the radar and on their own?" ? Where is he getting these stats? relative to what? For instance http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.... Says PHP the language is more popular than Ruby the language (let alone the subset of Ruby programmers who use Rails). I don't get where that perceived smallness comes from.…

Sort of a tangent here but I've been trying to decide if our organization needs to move away from using Drupal for custom application development. You see to have some experience, what are your thoughts on it for highly customized web applications?

Re: Will Rails be the new PHP?

#24
post #6

um no? PHP "has a relatively small community, with the majority of people working under the radar and on their own?" ? Where is he getting these stats? relative to what? For instance http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.... Says PHP the language is more popular than Ruby the language (let alone the subset of Ruby programmers who use Rails). I don't get where that perceived smallness comes from.…

1) userbase is not a community, usergroups and such are. 2) the sub-par php code thing? go post on place like craig's list, where the uninformed who need developers might post things, and see what kind of developers respond. go look at wordpress plugins. go look at tutorials and examples on blogs. while yes, there are certainly well qualified php programmers, you're going to see a lot of horrifying code.

... and all the rails code of the world is better? How has the rails community gotten this "my shit don't smell" attitude? Like I said, the barrier to entry for ails is even lower, it stands to reason that there would be even more horrifying Rails code out there. Every language and framework is going to have horrifying code, I don't understand how you can ignore the Rails communities code while singling out PHPs

Re: Will Rails be the new PHP?

#26
I really enjoy when arrogant geeks tries to bash language X. They will never learn their language is just a tool and as long as you follow best practices it doesn't matter what language you are using.

And i really don't understand why particularly rails developers looks down to newcomers. If you want to help your community just write tutorials, share your experiences from real life, help to newbies and make other's life easier. If you want to entertain other peopler, well , just write crappy blog posts with such title like " Will X be new Y ? "[1]

[1] : But please read first the article about "Betteridge's Law of Headlines" on Wikipedia.

Re: Will Rails be the new PHP?

#30
post #5

It's the strangest thing. It's like having a blog and access to Hacker News makes self-proclaimed "seasoned" programers forget that they, too, probably had really crappy code when they started programming. Instead of bashing green programmers who coincidentally became interested programming at the same time that Rails makes it so easy to start, why not offer them up a list of resources to make them better? Humans are…

He's not bashing green programmers. He's bashing on programmers with years under their belt who never got any better, and don't participate in any community.

> "I'm worried about the portion of Rails developers who sucked at their previous language. Or the ones who got started with Rails as their first "language" without finding the proper (or current) resources or guidance"

No, he really isn't. He is totally bashing green programmers.

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