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The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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post #47

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We stop allowing the rich to become so rich. Billionares are not compatible with democracy or the greater good.

This seems to be more about political power and government overreach than money. The narrative seems to be focused solely on concentration of the later, lately.

Money is political power. A billionaire can afford to lobby and “donate” as much as they want.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

#72
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We stop allowing the rich to become so rich. Billionares are not compatible with democracy or the greater good.

This seems to be more about political power and government overreach than money. The narrative seems to be focused solely on concentration of the later, lately.

I expect economical and political power to get along well. You normally acquire both organically; except in some cases, suddently acquiring much of one will buy some of the other.

TLDR: Billionaires hold political power.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

#73

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We have to win every time. They only have to win once and it's game over.

Why can't we put up legislation to repeal over and over until it is repealed?

Power/wealth asymmetries. The incumbent organizations are powerful, have many resources and actively work to prevent other organizations from achieving the same level if competency.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

#74

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We stop allowing the rich to become so rich. Billionares are not compatible with democracy or the greater good.

What happens when you get what you want, and rather than magically solving every problem confronting society, it doesn't solve anything at all, and in fact creates several more problems, as generally happens when such ideas are put into practice? What's plan B? Lower the threshold to a million dollars?

We iterate.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

#75
post #35

This is an asymmetric conflict. The factions who want this to pass have more resources, time and background influence and can keep pushing this until they get lucky. And once in place repealing it will be tremendously difficult. How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? It is a dynamic that is repeated in many areas.

> How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process?

By choosing "people-vs-individual-politician" fight over "people-vs-government-system". Like, literally, make politicians personally responsible for this bs.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

#76
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We stop allowing the rich to become so rich. Billionares are not compatible with democracy or the greater good.

This seems to be more about political power and government overreach than money. The narrative seems to be focused solely on concentration of the later, lately.

Billionaires inherently get political power. When they’re more socially adept than Musk, they can even have the power without having the plebs notice.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

#77
post #35

This is an asymmetric conflict. The factions who want this to pass have more resources, time and background influence and can keep pushing this until they get lucky. And once in place repealing it will be tremendously difficult. How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? It is a dynamic that is repeated in many areas.

We stop allowing the rich to become so rich. Billionares are not compatible with democracy or the greater good.

It's too bad we can't withdraw our votes for a politician continuously, with the politician having to leave office if the vote changes enough.

I'm not sure it can be solved without everybody writing down their vote, but this would be one way that would make pushing through unpopular policies, whether because of changing opinions, mismatches where politicians misrepresent their plans or corruption, much more difficult.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

#79
post #35

This is an asymmetric conflict. The factions who want this to pass have more resources, time and background influence and can keep pushing this until they get lucky. And once in place repealing it will be tremendously difficult. How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? It is a dynamic that is repeated in many areas.

> And once in place repealing it will be tremendously difficult.

as in: not possible

the EU parliament can't legislate to remove it, at least not without permission from the two organs (commission, council) that keep pushing this

EU parliament is the only legislature in the world that needs permission to legislate

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

#80

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This is true and yet we managed to kick SOPA to the curb (one of Aaron Swartz's finest hours)

That was more than a decade ago. Think how many normies have come online since then that have only ever used a smartphone. Sadly the average computer literacy of those times are gone.

> Think how many normies have come online since then that have only ever used a smartphone. Sadly the average computer literacy of those times are gone.

I remember a few years ago, being shocked to see that over 50% of applicants for a software engineering role applied directly from their smartphones. So it's not even just normies who see their phone as "the computer".

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