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The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by yoz-y »

HPsquared wrote: post #39
andybak wrote: post #35

This is an asymmetric conflict. The factions who want this to pass have more resources, time and background influence and can keep pushing this until they get lucky. And once in place repealing it will be tremendously difficult. How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? It is a dynamic that is repeated in many areas.

Constitutions are a pretty common way to say "no to this kind of thing".

Indeed. It seems that the only way out is to elect a government that would have that on their program. Dubious that this will happen.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by whatshisface »

pokot0 wrote: post #40

Honestly I think privacy is lost. Regardless of what side you were (big fan of privacy here) I feel we have nothing to do but move on and think how to live in a world without privacy. I never wanted privacy anyway: I wanted no discrimination, inclusion, healthy democracy, etc, etc. Privacy has always been a tool for me. At this point, selective privacy like we are experiencing today (we cannot know what’s in the epst…

The basic structure of your argument is equivalent to, "I've given up on being allowed to leave my house, I just want to go to the places I need to go."

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by progval »

josteink wrote: post #48
Humorist2290 wrote: post #34

(6) Online child sexual abuse frequently involves the misuse of information society services offered in the Union by providers established in third countries. In order to ensure the effectiveness of the rules laid down in this Regulation and a level playing field within the internal market, those rules should apply to all providers, irrespective of their place of establishment or residence, that offer services in the…

So they’re asking American companies to repeal the first amendment rights of American citizens on all websites accessible in the EU. How this not a declaration of war?

Neither the EU nor American companies are Congress, so they are not bound by the 1st amendment.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

andybak wrote: post #35

This is an asymmetric conflict. The factions who want this to pass have more resources, time and background influence and can keep pushing this until they get lucky. And once in place repealing it will be tremendously difficult. How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? It is a dynamic that is repeated in many areas.

> How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? It is a dynamic that is repeated in many areas.

A lot of society wants this. A lot of parents are asking for this.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by binary132 »

pokot0 wrote: post #40

Honestly I think privacy is lost. Regardless of what side you were (big fan of privacy here) I feel we have nothing to do but move on and think how to live in a world without privacy. I never wanted privacy anyway: I wanted no discrimination, inclusion, healthy democracy, etc, etc. Privacy has always been a tool for me. At this point, selective privacy like we are experiencing today (we cannot know what’s in the epst…

what a ludicrously insane take. how can you not believe in privacy? do you think what you do in your home should be private, or do you think it’s fine for someone to put cameras in there? If you do, please feel free to invite them to do so; do not feel free to invite them to put cameras in my home.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by xxs »

yoz-y wrote: post #51
HPsquared wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Constitutions are a pretty common way to say "no to this kind of thing".

Indeed. It seems that the only way out is to elect a government that would have that on their program. Dubious that this will happen.

Governments don't change constitutions pretty much anywhere. More also constitution changes are notoriously hard from requiring 75% of parliament votes, to 66% in two consecutive parliament assemblies (need to pass an election), and all versions in-between (or not having a codified constitution).

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by alex1138 »

andybak wrote: post #35

This is an asymmetric conflict. The factions who want this to pass have more resources, time and background influence and can keep pushing this until they get lucky. And once in place repealing it will be tremendously difficult. How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? It is a dynamic that is repeated in many areas.

This is true and yet we managed to kick SOPA to the curb (one of Aaron Swartz's finest hours)
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