GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

Post by nottorp » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 11:32 AM UTC

abound wrote: post #268

Dilettante_ wrote: post #170

>GPT‑5.1 Thinking’s responses are also clearer, with less jargon and fewer undefined terms Oh yeah that's what I want when asking a technical question! Please talk down to me, call a spade an earth-pokey-stick and don't ever use a phrase or concept I don't know because when I come face-to-face with something I don't know yet I feel deep insecurity and dread instead of seeing an opportunity to learn! But I assume thei…

In defense of OpenAI in this particular situation, GPT 5 can be incredibly jargon-y at times, making it much worse of a learning tool than other LLMs. Here's some response snippets from me asking a question about dual-stack networking: > Get an IPv6 allocation from your RIR and IPv6 transit/peering. Run IPv6 BGP with upstreams and in your core (OSPFv3/IS-IS + iBGP). > Enable IPv6 on your access/BNG/BRAS/CMTS and aggr…

Post by api » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 11:33 AM UTC

minimaxir wrote: post #2

All the examples of "warmer" generations show that OpenAI's definition of warmer is synonymous with sycophantic , which is a surprise given all the criticism against that particular aspect of ChatGPT. I suspect this approach is a direct response to the backlash against removing 4o.

Post by torben-friis » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 11:40 AM UTC

Quarrel wrote: post #440

pbalau wrote: post #427

> what romanian football player won the premier league > The only Romanian football player to have won the English Premier League (as of 2025) is Florin Andone, but wait — actually, that’s incorrect; he never won the league. > ... > No Romanian footballer has ever won the Premier League (as of 2025). Yes, this is what we needed, more "conversational" ChatGPT... Let alone the fact the answer is wrong.

My worry is that they're training it on Q&A from the general public now, and that this tone, and more specifically, how obsequious it can be, is exactly what the general public want. Most of the time, I suspect, people are using it like wikipedia, but with a shortcut to cut through to the real question they want answered; and unfortunately they don't know if it is right or wrong, they just want to be told how bright…

Post by estebarb » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 11:42 AM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #218

Grimblewald wrote: post #127

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Care to share a prompt that works? I've given up on mainline offerings from google/oai etc. the reason being they're either sycophantic or so recalcitrant it'll raise your bloodpressure, you end up arguing over if the sky is in fact blue. Sure it pushes back but now instead of sycophanty you've got yourself some pathological naysayer, which is just marginally better, but interaction is still ultimately a waste of tim…

Sure: Please maintain a strictly objective and analytical tone. Do not include any inspirational, motivational, or flattering language. Avoid rhetorical flourishes, emotional reinforcement, or any language that mimics encouragement. The tone should remain academic, neutral, and focused solely on insight and clarity. Works like a charm for me. Only thing I can't get it to change is the last paragraph where it always t…

Post by siva7 » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 11:45 AM UTC

gandalfthepink wrote: post #301

It is truly stupid that they are trying to make it more human-like. They should have added a radio button to turn off these sort of customizations because it doesn't help some of us. Just pisses me off. It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system.