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Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by hrimfaxi »

waltbosz wrote: post #140
reactordev wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Say this louder for the managers in the back! I’m sick of having to pay for my own tools to do my job at your company. Either find a way to build using free tools or fork up the license for that Visual Studio Ultimate or IntelliJ Idea Ultimate license. Pay for your database vendor. Your corporate IdP. Why not $300/yr for a high value output employee?

You know, I always thought it odd when plumbers (etc. tradesmen) working full time for a company have to supply their own tools.

I always found it odd that so many shops let people use whichever tools they want!

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by reactordev »

waltbosz wrote: post #140
reactordev wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Say this louder for the managers in the back! I’m sick of having to pay for my own tools to do my job at your company. Either find a way to build using free tools or fork up the license for that Visual Studio Ultimate or IntelliJ Idea Ultimate license. Pay for your database vendor. Your corporate IdP. Why not $300/yr for a high value output employee?

You know, I always thought it odd when plumbers (etc. tradesmen) working full time for a company have to supply their own tools.

My brother is a plumber and his company reimbursed him for every tool he has bought for the job. After 5 years, he started his own plumbing business and he supplies all the tools, trucks, benefits, contracts, and customer support for his employees in the field. For what it’s worth.

You can choose your tool, you’ll get it.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by Aurornis »

This was submitted with a title that doesn’t match the page and is not even accurste (Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up) is not correct. This donation page is not for the public NTP pool. It’s for the NTP Project organization and their web page.

All of the angry comments from people who think NTP will stop working if the donation bar doesn’t get to $1000 are misinformed. Also note that the bar isn’t updating. It’s been stuck at $365 for myself and others despite donations coming in.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#144

Post by jrmg »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #5
mhovd wrote: post #2

I am surprised that NTP project is not funded, fully or partially, by larger organizations or governments, given the criticality of the project.

Why is research into the protocol useful. Isn't it done?

Don’t think you deserve these downvotes. That was my reaction too. Perhaps they’re coming from people who believe that the money is to support running of time servers (which, to be fair, “Please donate to keep the Network Time Protocol up” certainly implies…)

I too would be interested in knowing what the Network Time Foundation is researching, and I think conversation about that is appropriate here. NTP certainly _seems_ like it’s been ‘good enough’ for decades to an uninformed observer, and discussing if and why it’s not would be interesting (and perhaps motivate donations!)

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by kristopolous »

juliusceasar wrote: post #76

I refuse to donate. Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it and yet refuse to spend money on it. Let it fail and see what happens.

Is there any endowment for such projects?

Something like money to the endowment from the big corp, then would be recipients petition the endowment for ongoing funding, some board decides based on a set of open protocols...

Because honestly I've seen this a bit recently - major infrastructure projects looking for effectively pocket change; a couple thousand.

They shouldn't ever have to beg for money, this is stupid.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by ebiester »

reactordev wrote: post #127
codingdave wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% true, but they shouldn't have to. If FAANG is using it, they should fund it. I don't want to work in a culture where the employees pay for the corporations' tools.

Say this louder for the managers in the back! I’m sick of having to pay for my own tools to do my job at your company. Either find a way to build using free tools or fork up the license for that Visual Studio Ultimate or IntelliJ Idea Ultimate license. Pay for your database vendor. Your corporate IdP. Why not $300/yr for a high value output employee?

We have a price for the total infrastructure spend per dev, and that includes things like AWS prices and all of the tooling like jira and github.

But you absolutely shouldn't have to pay for your own tools. (That said, blue collar people often have to, unlike us, and that's also awful.) But also, it's their productivity. If you are all laboring under the same constraints, it's their choice to make if they care about your productivity.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#147

Post by mmmpetrichor »

Aurornis wrote: post #143

This was submitted with a title that doesn’t match the page and is not even accurste (Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up) is not correct. This donation page is not for the public NTP pool. It’s for the NTP Project organization and their web page. All of the angry comments from people who think NTP will stop working if the donation bar doesn’t get to $1000 are misinformed. Also note that the bar isn’t upda…

I think maybe the title of this topic post is the main source of misinformation.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by Aurornis »

mmmpetrichor wrote: post #147
Aurornis wrote: post #143

This was submitted with a title that doesn’t match the page and is not even accurste (Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up) is not correct. This donation page is not for the public NTP pool. It’s for the NTP Project organization and their web page. All of the angry comments from people who think NTP will stop working if the donation bar doesn’t get to $1000 are misinformed. Also note that the bar isn’t upda…

I think maybe the title of this topic post is the main source of misinformation.

It’s definitely the title. The title is a plain and simple lie.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by jrmg »

rnijveld wrote: post #111

As someone working on an NTP implementation (specifically ntpd-rs) I have to add some context to this: I do believe that donating to the Network Time Foundation is fine, but it is not required to keep the Network Time Protocol up in any way. Firstly, the most important reason the ntp.org domain name is so well known is because of the NTP pool, which is an entirely separate project (the Network Time Foundation calls i…

This deserves to be somewhere other than at the bottom of the comments (where it is as I’m reading).
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