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> Let it fail and see what happens. It will get replaced by a proprietary protocol/paid service from each Azure, Cloudflare, Google, AWS, ... The rest of us will be S.O.L.
It would be so much cheaper for the companies to support this than out their own solution
I refuse to donate. Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it and yet refuse to spend money on it. Let it fail and see what happens.
I agree with you in this, I donate to a few Open Source Projects, I really cannot afford to donate to one that multi-billon $ companies use for free. For example, OpenSSH. Used everywhere yet IBM gives a big fat 0 to that project even though OpenSSH is even used in AIX. Even though I love to complain about Microsoft, M/S does donate a decent amount to OpenSSH via OpenBSD, so M/S gets my respect for doing that. Time c…
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Harsh but true. Any of the FAANGs could cough up a million dollars and let the thing run for 1000 months. I’m too poor to have too much revenue that I need to donate some away to pay fewer taxes. That’s a problem corporations have.
Even a single highly paid employee of a FAANG, many of whom frequent this very forum, could pay for a year without breaking the bank.
The project has been hungry for years. There was a fork to clean up and secure the implementation: https://ntpsec.org and ideally they would combine forces. Summarized here: https://lwn.net/Articles/713901
Yeah the ntpsec story, not great. I don't believe they're taken especially seriously. There are people close to Harlan Stenn who believe the project is essentially fraudulent.
Even if it's not, ESR is involved so it's not serious.
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I agree with you in this, I donate to a few Open Source Projects, I really cannot afford to donate to one that multi-billon $ companies use for free. For example, OpenSSH. Used everywhere yet IBM gives a big fat 0 to that project even though OpenSSH is even used in AIX. Even though I love to complain about Microsoft, M/S does donate a decent amount to OpenSSH via OpenBSD, so M/S gets my respect for doing that. Time c…
There's probably some stupid legal reason behind why they don't donate.
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Large tech companies and free-riding critical internet commons, name a better duo.
That would be easily solved by blocking from NTP any ip address belonging to a big tech corp that doesn't pony up.
I refuse to donate. Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it and yet refuse to spend money on it. Let it fail and see what happens.
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Harsh but true. Any of the FAANGs could cough up a million dollars and let the thing run for 1000 months. I’m too poor to have too much revenue that I need to donate some away to pay fewer taxes. That’s a problem corporations have.
Even a single highly paid employee of a FAANG, many of whom frequent this very forum, could pay for a year without breaking the bank.
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It would be so much cheaper for the companies to support this than out their own solution
You're missing the bigger picture. Vendor lock in.
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The reference implementation, while historically important, has largely been displaced by more secure/performant implementations (ntpsec, chrony), or by in-house implementations (Amazon, Google). Notably NTPd doesn't support leap-smear, which means those who absolutely must have monotonic time can't use it at all.
Who's running ntpsec?