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Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#91
post #44

The project has been hungry for years. There was a fork to clean up and secure the implementation: https://ntpsec.org and ideally they would combine forces. Summarized here: https://lwn.net/Articles/713901

Yeah the ntpsec story, not great. I don't believe they're taken especially seriously. There are people close to Harlan Stenn who believe the project is essentially fraudulent.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#92
post #2

I am surprised that NTP project is not funded, fully or partially, by larger organizations or governments, given the criticality of the project.

The reference implementation, while historically important, has largely been displaced by more secure/performant implementations (ntpsec, chrony), or by in-house implementations (Amazon, Google). Notably NTPd doesn't support leap-smear, which means those who absolutely must have monotonic time can't use it at all.

Who's running ntpsec?

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#93

It's sad that a project that literally every company in the world depends on is requiring donations to keep working.

It is apparently "Grossly Overestimate The Reliance of Companies on Open Software and Systems Week" and nobody told me.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is research into the protocol useful. Isn't it done?

We keep coming up with new ways to use it: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20240011919

It's telling that we can appropriate millions of dollars to transport a decommissioned shuttle from a museum in Virginia to Texas, but NASA can't pitch in the cost of one tank of diesel to the people maintaining what this article claims to be a mission-critical tool?

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#96

I refuse to donate. Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it and yet refuse to spend money on it. Let it fail and see what happens.

I agree with you in this, I donate to a few Open Source Projects, I really cannot afford to donate to one that multi-billon $ companies use for free.

For example, OpenSSH. Used everywhere yet IBM gives a big fat 0 to that project even though OpenSSH is even used in AIX. Even though I love to complain about Microsoft, M/S does donate a decent amount to OpenSSH via OpenBSD, so M/S gets my respect for doing that.

Time companies like IBM steps up and give, if not, we are back to playing with CMOS date/time. Which is how things were when I started programing at a large company decades ago.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#97
post #86

I refuse to donate. Trillion dollar companies depend leech on it and yet refuse to spend money on it. Let it fail and see what happens.

> Let it fail and see what happens. It will get replaced by a proprietary protocol/paid service from each Azure, Cloudflare, Google, AWS, ... The rest of us will be S.O.L.

It would be so much cheaper for the companies to support this than out their own solution

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#98
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let it fail and see what happens. It will get replaced by a proprietary protocol/paid service from each Azure, Cloudflare, Google, AWS, ... The rest of us will be S.O.L.

It would be so much cheaper for the companies to support this than out their own solution

but then they wouldn't own it.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#100
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bots use sites like this to validate lists of stolen cards with low dollar donations to validate the cards before using them on the target site. Without some one of protection sites like these are quickly flooded with fraudulent transactions and then fined and shut down by Visa and Mastercard.

This sounds like a problem where cryptocurrency could actually be the solution. Next time I want to make a charitable donation I will ask for an XMR address to preserve my privacy and work around commercial payment processor issues.

I was thinking the same. Seems HN is now pro-bank and anti-cryptocurrency.
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