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Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#51

I wish when accepting donations, websites would stop caching the total collected amount or give it a super short TTL. I like to see the little progress bar get closer to the goal thanks to my couple of bucks.

If they are only counting fully cleared funds, your payment might not be relevant yet. Some fraud checks are not synchronous, for instance.

Though they could fake it: take the current cleared total and add your amount for your display.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is research into the protocol useful. Isn't it done?

The project isn't about research it's about creating a reference implementation

> The NTP Project conducts Research and Development in NTP, a protocol designed to synchronize the clocks of computers over a network to a common timebase.

Research is put front and centre in their pitch for funding.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#54
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really clear why they need this money either?

> It's not really clear why they need this money either? Really? The sentence at the top of the Donate page seems pretty clear to me: > Your donation helps Network Time Foundation maintain the NTP website and provide resources and support to NTP developers. Is it unclear to you?

a website doesn't need $1000

and $1000 seems at the same time to be quite a bit of money, but also too little to be for funding people long term.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#55
post #2

I am surprised that NTP project is not funded, fully or partially, by larger organizations or governments, given the criticality of the project.

The reference implementation, while historically important, has largely been displaced by more secure/performant implementations (ntpsec, chrony), or by in-house implementations (Amazon, Google).

Notably NTPd doesn't support leap-smear, which means those who absolutely must have monotonic time can't use it at all.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is research into the protocol useful. Isn't it done?

The project isn't about research it's about creating a reference implementation

What's the distinction from NIST's internet time service?

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#58

That seems very low for such a high profile site/project I donated an amount but the bar didn't move and is at the same level($395) as before my donation

If you follow the "Foundations work" link at the bottom, you're taken to another page that shows $4,675 of $11,000 November goal.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#59

That seems very low for such a high profile site/project I donated an amount but the bar didn't move and is at the same level($395) as before my donation

If you follow the "Foundations work" link at the bottom, you're taken to another page that shows $4,675 of $11,000 November goal.

Looks like the first $1000 goal is specifically for maintaining to he NTP website and maybe developers? While the other is a broader goal for the foundation

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#60
post #2

I am surprised that NTP project is not funded, fully or partially, by larger organizations or governments, given the criticality of the project.

The reference implementation, while historically important, has largely been displaced by more secure/performant implementations (ntpsec, chrony), or by in-house implementations (Amazon, Google). Notably NTPd doesn't support leap-smear, which means those who absolutely must have monotonic time can't use it at all.

> Those who absolutely must have monotonic time

... shouldn’t be using a Unix timestamp, or anything else that’s not a count of SI seconds elapsed since a fixed reference point, to begin with.

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