I tried to donate, but apparently I am not human: > 1 error prohibited this submission from being saved: > Looks like you are not a human Good to know.
You are thinking to much in emoji's and emdashes.
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Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#42I tried to donate, but apparently I am not human: > 1 error prohibited this submission from being saved: > Looks like you are not a human Good to know.
Yeah, I'm not a human either.
(Edited to add: that was from Safari. Chrome worked. YMMV.)
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#43I am surprised that NTP project is not funded, fully or partially, by larger organizations or governments, given the criticality of the project.
Why is research into the protocol useful. Isn't it done?
We keep coming up with new ways to use it: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20240011919
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#44The project has been hungry for years.
There was a fork to clean up and secure the implementation: https://ntpsec.org and ideally they would combine forces.
Summarized here: https://lwn.net/Articles/713901
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then when too many of the fradulent payments get charged back then your payment processor drops you
Sure, chargebacks cost money. You know what else costs money? When someone wants to give you money, and you misidentify them as a bot and refuse their money.
With donations being blocked you keep sitting at 0, with chargebacks you can actually go negative, in a potentially unbounded way.
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's not really clear why they need this money either? Really? The sentence at the top of the Donate page seems pretty clear to me: > Your donation helps Network Time Foundation maintain the NTP website and provide resources and support to NTP developers. Is it unclear to you?
It is kind of vague IMO. Especially since most of the actual NTP infrastructure is run by governments, universities, and companies. https://gist.github.com/mutin-sa/eea1c396b1e610a2da1e5550d94... But..it's $1k. This is basically pocket change on an institutional level. I've been part of some very scrappy and poorly funded community organizations and even they took in more than $1k every year. Even if you don't believ…
We're talking about $1000. In context i would assume its their hosting bill.
I can't imagine its much more than that if we are talking about such a small sum.
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then when too many of the fradulent payments get charged back then your payment processor drops you
Sure, chargebacks cost money. You know what else costs money? When someone wants to give you money, and you misidentify them as a bot and refuse their money.
Yeah, but one probably costs more money then the other, and it seems plausible its the chargebacks.
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure why they'd try so hard to keep bots from paying them anyway. If someone wants to write a bot that constantly pays me good money I'm fine with that. I might rate limit it if the stream of payments coming in can't cover the cost of keeping the server from being DoS'd, but that's not going to inconvenience a human trying to submit a payment one time.
Bots use sites like this to validate lists of stolen cards with low dollar donations to validate the cards before using them on the target site. Without some one of protection sites like these are quickly flooded with fraudulent transactions and then fined and shut down by Visa and Mastercard.
This sounds like a problem where cryptocurrency could actually be the solution. Next time I want to make a charitable donation I will ask for an XMR address to preserve my privacy and work around commercial payment processor issues.
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#49I am surprised that NTP project is not funded, fully or partially, by larger organizations or governments, given the criticality of the project.
Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k
#50PTP is way better than NTP, but it might be possible that reference time is somehow taken from NTP anyway. What I Mean: Reference .gov atomic clock (not radium one) -> NTP -> ? -> ? -> satellite control station -> gps -> PTP Hahaha
This is true when all network delays between the synchronized device and the time reference are deterministic and accounted for in the configuration.
The design of PTP assumes that this is the case. NTP, on the other hand, estimates the network delays to its time references.
Is there any reason to believe that PTP would be better in normal networks?