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Post by cindyllm »

Freedumbs wrote: post #346
pizlonator wrote: post #17

This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

Have you been ignoring the reports? This is a small slice of the carnage the government has unleashed. They've detained at least 170 US citizens so far for hours or days, shot numerous US citizens, killed US citizens, killed tens of people in detention, the detention center conditions are torture so people intentionally self deport, the people who are deported disappear, are never heard from again ...............

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Post by Uehreka »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #389
Uehreka wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Regardless of your thoughts on immigration and ICE, if a cop tries to pull you over, and instead you decide to speed off and barricade yourself inside a daycare, you’re probably going to get arrested. I view ICE as wholly illegitimate. If I were on the jury in this case, I would vote to acquit Ms. Galeano no matter what the prosecution said, and many people out there who have not said this online would do the same.…

Immigration Enforcement is illegitimate apparently.

> Immigration Enforcement

You make it sound so reasonable when you say it like that. But here’s the thing: If you’re gonna die on the hill that “simply enforcing immigration laws” requires invading cities and detaining people without due process, everyday people are going to come to the conclusion that it might not be worth it. It’s wild how far you guys thought you could get with that phrasing.

Like at this point, y’all have done the Abolish ICE people a huge favor. It was much easier to call them anarchist weirdos when many people had never even seen an ICE officer much less had their lives affected by their activities. But now… well, unless conservatives do in fact succeed in ending elections (which I rank unlikely) I give it a >50% chance that ICE is abolished within 10 years.

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Post by epgui »

ragazzina wrote: post #157
epgui wrote: post #129

Currently as a Canadian there are probably only four or five countries I really do not want to travel to. In no particular order: North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and the United States.

What is your main source of information about Iran?

I don’t have any problem with Iranians. If you’re meaning to defend the regime you’re on the wrong side of History my friend.

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Post by epgui »

bluedino wrote: post #142
epgui wrote: post #129

Currently as a Canadian there are probably only four or five countries I really do not want to travel to. In no particular order: North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and the United States.

Why, exactly?

Unpredictable, inconsistent, arbitrary and/or capricious law and border enforcement.

It’s already sketchy enough going through borders when you have very little rights. When what rights people have are not respected, it makes it even scarier.

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Post by tremon »

msandford wrote: post #310
whoknowsidont wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you just want to see the people who voted for this as "the enemy" and "evil" you're basically doing the same tribal "othering" that's lead to these outcomes you don't like. "If you point out problems, you yourself are actually the problem. I am very rational." Incredible logic.

Okay so what's the solution then that doesn't involve having to disappear the half of the country that you don't agree with? I'm super open to better solutions. I just rarely hear any other than magical thinking. "All these evil shitbags will get reeducated and agree with me now" if it's not that, what is it?

the solution that doesn't involve having to disappear the half of the country that you don't agree with?

You can't form a country with people who want half the country to disappear. There's only three possible outcomes here:

- civil war

- secession

- remove all people that want other people to disappear

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Post by msandford »

tremon wrote: post #415
msandford wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay so what's the solution then that doesn't involve having to disappear the half of the country that you don't agree with? I'm super open to better solutions. I just rarely hear any other than magical thinking. "All these evil shitbags will get reeducated and agree with me now" if it's not that, what is it?

the solution that doesn't involve having to disappear the half of the country that you don't agree with? You can't form a country with people who want half the country to disappear. There's only three possible outcomes here: - civil war - secession - remove all people that want other people to disappear

I think you're missing the fourth option which is rediscovering civility, agreeing to disagree, etc.

Are the Republicans doing that right now? Probably not. Are the Democrats doing that right now? Also probably not.

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Post by Freedom2 »

tedivm wrote: post #74
SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The media has an existential threat of having their broadcast licenses revoked so yeah that probably has a lot to do with why there’s no coverage. If the media had balls, they’d broadcast anyway, license or not.

There's a lot of good independent media looking at this. Some good sources: https://bsky.app/profile/unraveledpress.com https://bsky.app/profile/djbyrnes1.bsky.social https://bsky.app/profile/thetriibe.com https://bsky.app/profile/prisonculture.bsky.social

Are there any good independent media also posting on X.com? I believe HN usually prefers that particular Twitter-like source.

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Post by shakes_mcjunkie »

The article is missing a bit about Bovino the other day. He threw a sieg heil and has been videoed doing "paper beats rock" with agents which is a white supremacist dog whistle. These people are openly racist and have unaccountable power to stomp around Chicago and destroy the community.

https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/comments/1os2lid/greg_bovi...

*Edit: I forgot to mention, please consider (1) organizing with your neighbors now because this is probably coming to you sometime soon and (2) donating to ICIRR which is doing amazing on the ground work right now https://www.icirr.org/

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Post by rappatic »

Uehreka wrote: post #275
rappatic wrote: post #134

> Agents with guns have chased a teacher into the school where she works The agents actually attempted to pull over Ms. Galeano’s vehicle, but the male driver (with Galeano in the passenger seat) refused to stop despite the sirens and lights. The agents pursued the car, which sped into a shopping center, and Ms. Galeano fled the vehicle and ran into a daycare, attempting to barricade herself inside. She didn’t get al…

> Regardless of your thoughts on immigration and ICE, if a cop tries to pull you over, and instead you decide to speed off and barricade yourself inside a daycare, you’re probably going to get arrested. I view ICE as wholly illegitimate. If I were on the jury in this case, I would vote to acquit Ms. Galeano no matter what the prosecution said, and many people out there who have not said this online would do the same.…

> I view ICE as wholly illegitimate

Though you may find this surprising, your personal opinion on the legitimacy of an organization doesn’t actually have legal standing.

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