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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by testing22321 »

themafia wrote: post #267
testing22321 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the US is a country of immigrants. Built by people from all over the world. There’s even a massive statue near some famous city welcoming immigrants. Are you so xenophobic you missed this?

Are you so enamored with a statue that you missed the overwhelming gang violence? Stop being simple and looking for opportunities to push your narrow politics into a conversation. Chicago is simply _not_ in good shape. Ask anyone who lives there. Ask them if these problems started with or predated Trump? Ask them if they think their problems has one wit to do with national politics.

Yes, many places have problems with gang violence.

That has nothing at all to do with secret masked police ignoring the constitution and people getting abducted regardless of citizenship.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by testing22321 »

chasil wrote: post #249
hypeatei wrote: post #120

A news station producer was arrested by ICE and the agents peeled away ripping off someone's bumper[0][1] just for her to be released later without charges. 0: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/14/chicago-ice-... 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLGI2hMaz5Q

I would say that any U.S. citizen living in an area of focus who is even vaguely latino and/or does not speak English well should obtain a U.S. "passport card" and carry it on their person at all times, as a federally issued ID. It's $65 for the first application, and $30 at renewals. In this context, the passport card is much more valuable than a state-issued ID. You know if your children should have them. A real pa…

ICE have the official policy that no paperwork is sufficient to prove citizenship. The only source of truth it their biometrics app

https://www.404media.co/you-cant-refuse-to-be-scanned-by-ice...

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by tastyface »

nemo44x wrote: post #235
ryandrake wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can argue for or against mass-deportation as a policy. Fine. But the tactics are a choice, and at every turn, the current administration is deliberately choosing cruelty, fear, intimidation, violence, opaqueness, and grief. In an alternate world, they could have still chosen to do mass-deportation, but also: 1. sent uniformed officers with arrest warrants, 2. who identify themselves clearly as officers, 3. who sh…

So the aesthetics are bad. The execution is sloppy and it’s likely the people tasked with it are under trained and under supervised. But the outcome is the same otherwise. I don’t know if they’re trying to be mean or if they’re just trying to effectively hit their goals. It’s ruthless execution but that’s what’s taught in business school today. The citizens that are being wrongly violated will have their day and be c…

"aesthetics are bad" = their leader is literally cosplaying as a Nazi: https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/1o55i0x/meet_grego...

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by Uehreka »

rappatic wrote: post #134

> Agents with guns have chased a teacher into the school where she works The agents actually attempted to pull over Ms. Galeano’s vehicle, but the male driver (with Galeano in the passenger seat) refused to stop despite the sirens and lights. The agents pursued the car, which sped into a shopping center, and Ms. Galeano fled the vehicle and ran into a daycare, attempting to barricade herself inside. She didn’t get al…

> Regardless of your thoughts on immigration and ICE, if a cop tries to pull you over, and instead you decide to speed off and barricade yourself inside a daycare, you’re probably going to get arrested.

I view ICE as wholly illegitimate. If I were on the jury in this case, I would vote to acquit Ms. Galeano no matter what the prosecution said, and many people out there who have not said this online would do the same.

There’s no need to be so fatalistic.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by kdmtctl »

celsoazevedo wrote: post #88
itsoktocry wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many instances, no. And that's where a lot of the anger and blow back stems from.

It would be interesting to see how that works. Even here in Europe where we usually have a strong(er) social net, the state wouldn't give me a benefit without going through a process requiring documents to prove who I am, my nationality, etc. There are food banks and stuff like that, but that's usually from charities.

They are not receiving any benefits. They are not legal literally. Work for cash. No safety net except peers who are often abusive. There are lot of this in EU, just not this visible.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by kdmtctl »

nemo44x wrote: post #235
ryandrake wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can argue for or against mass-deportation as a policy. Fine. But the tactics are a choice, and at every turn, the current administration is deliberately choosing cruelty, fear, intimidation, violence, opaqueness, and grief. In an alternate world, they could have still chosen to do mass-deportation, but also: 1. sent uniformed officers with arrest warrants, 2. who identify themselves clearly as officers, 3. who sh…

So the aesthetics are bad. The execution is sloppy and it’s likely the people tasked with it are under trained and under supervised. But the outcome is the same otherwise. I don’t know if they’re trying to be mean or if they’re just trying to effectively hit their goals. It’s ruthless execution but that’s what’s taught in business school today. The citizens that are being wrongly violated will have their day and be c…

The outcome is not the same. Regardless of how many will be deported, this will normalize the modus operandi. Been there. Aesthetic is crucial if you don't want it to be turned on you some day.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by chasil »

testing22321 wrote: post #272
chasil wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that any U.S. citizen living in an area of focus who is even vaguely latino and/or does not speak English well should obtain a U.S. "passport card" and carry it on their person at all times, as a federally issued ID. It's $65 for the first application, and $30 at renewals. In this context, the passport card is much more valuable than a state-issued ID. You know if your children should have them. A real pa…

ICE have the official policy that no paperwork is sufficient to prove citizenship. The only source of truth it their biometrics app https://www.404media.co/you-cant-refuse-to-be-scanned-by-ice...

That will certainly not work for children, as their faces change.

I live in Illinois. Since Republican governor Ryan gave chauffers licenses to undocumented immigrants (resulting in fatalities), it is certain that an Illinois license is worthless.

I had hoped that an ID issued by the U.S. Department of State would be a safeguard.

Perhaps not, but wise to obtain both forms, for the judge.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by drewbug01 »

pizlonator wrote: post #17

This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

In a way, the article understates how bad it is. I live in Chicago, and in my neighborhood every lamp post (and mailbox, and other surface) has a poster detailing your rights. “Fuck ICE” (and related) signs all over. Most businesses and a lot of houses in my neighborhood have signs explicitly stating that ICE is not welcome inside without a warrant. My coffee shop regularly has free whistles to take, so you can help alert others.

Just a few days ago I was working at a coffee shop and got a rapid response notice that ICE was about a block from me. I got a few more that day, all within a few blocks of my house.

It is incredibly stressful. I married people, have kids who are not white - they are a target. I pray every day that the next daycare raid isn’t my sons daycare, that ICE doesn’t stop my husband as he goes to work, that my mother-in-law doesn’t get snatched off the street when she walks to Target.

It’s bad.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by physidev »

mindslight wrote: post #250
rappatic wrote: post #134

> Agents with guns have chased a teacher into the school where she works The agents actually attempted to pull over Ms. Galeano’s vehicle, but the male driver (with Galeano in the passenger seat) refused to stop despite the sirens and lights. The agents pursued the car, which sped into a shopping center, and Ms. Galeano fled the vehicle and ran into a daycare, attempting to barricade herself inside. She didn’t get al…

> if a cop tries to pull you over But it was not a cop but rather some masked lynch posse, right? If I am being chased by a gang of lawless terrorists, you can be sure as shit that not stopping is going to be a high priority. At least until I figure out a better plan.

Right, it seems reasonable to run away when people wearing masks and holding guns, with no police ID in sight, are chasing you. In the moment, how can you be sure these people are really federal law enforcement?

Even Trump's FBI is warning that people impersonating ICE agents are running around causing havoc: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-11-06/fbi-aler...

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