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Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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But don't you find it convenient to be connected with products you might like based on your preferences? /s

VC-brained morons are literally incapable of not ruining the companies and products they get their hands on. I've been a soft proponent of a global ban on ads for as long as I can remember, and I've only become more convinced over the years that it is something we need to agree on and start enforcing as a society.

Ads are evil, the whole incentive structure is fucked, the "free" products are brainrot trash. It is time to cut off the limb before the infection spreads.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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This is how Amazon is too with the movies and tv shows you bought. There's no way to search your owned library anymore. You just have to page through it to find what you want. And your library is hidden away behind a tiny little unlabeled icon in the upper right corner. And, to make matters worse, you have things like the Charlie Brown Halloween Special, which Apple now owns the rights to. You cannot in any way searc…

I've canceled Amazon Prime precisely due to this issue. All I wanted was to browse the videos that are included in the subscription, but instead I'm bombarded with videos that I need to pay extra for. Which made me recognzize that the subscription is useless, so I'll watch videos at other streaming platforms.

You used to be able to see “free with prime” but that’s nearly impossible to find; “free with ads” works better.

The local library works much better still

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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post #75

> From that point on, Steve would go on to spend lavishly on things that improved the experience, and he would reject—often brutally—any idea that diluted or harmed the experience. ...I’ll go out on a limb and say that uninvited advertising is not normally equated with a better customer experience. YES!!! SOO much of the Apple user experience has degraded due to this. I can't listen to my own music that I bought on t…

I prefer my music through CarPlay because at least that doesn’t shit everything up with Apple Music.

Hell, I’d be happy if they stopped defaulting the search to Apple Music instead of local library.

That’s not even to begin talking about how having Apple Music subscription once fucks your iTunes library forever.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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post #112

Sadly iPhone sales and revenue saturated like 4 years ago (and the same for Mac, Wearables and iPad [0]). They focus now a lot on growing revenue from services. Which is kind of sad because they have still much room to grow Mac and iPad: - just make iPad more useful and support MacOS - it's not gonna canibalize Mac, they sale each year 2x more iPads than Macs and 12x more iPhones than Macs. - make macbook Pro standar…

Give me iCloud++ or something that costs me $20/mo and shits off all the fucking ads and I’ll help grow the revenue.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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> One [way to integrate ads] was to show a cool video from a respected company (such as Nike) every time the Mac starts up.

Of course Jobs blocked this, but it's insane that it was even proposed as a serious idea. I'm pretty sure this would have been a PR stain on Apple even in the pre-social media era.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Does that somehow invalidate the message of the article?

It weakens the message because knowing that the image is fake casts equal doubt on anything which the text says.

This is total nonsense. Every reader will understand that Jobs was never photographed like that while saying "stop" to anyone crossing his red lines. Even if the photo exists, it would have been out of context.

The only question here is if using that image is tasteful or not.

Also, suggesting that Jobs did not have these red lines is not making the situation any better.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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post #297

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I pirated a lot when I was younger. Downloaded movies, books especially. Back then, ebooks were barely a thing(early 2000s), and scanned/OCR copies were the only way to get most books to read on a device. I even contacted a few authors and sent them money directly via paypal. But then the market matured. I bought what I could on Amazon. Exported to epub to read as I pleased. Then the Kindle app became horrendous. Now…

They’re stealing from us. It’s only fair we steal from them.

I'm not stealing, I'm just training an AI.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Local businesses with better quality usually have better ratings in maps and better economics—higher margins, repeat customers, lower acquisition costs. And since only nearby places can compete, you get real competition on merit instead of a race to the bottom with faceless actors. Good ads solve a real problem: helping people discover great spots in unfamiliar cities. Jobs saw something with iAd. The problem is simp…

Or, you could just use quality signals like ratings, time spent and repeat visits and not weight by the bids. All the upside, none of the downside.

This misses the fundamental information problem. Your recommendation algorithm is centralized—it only knows what its signals can measure. Ads create a decentralized market mechanism where businesses themselves can signal “your algorithm is underweighting me.”

Consider the failure modes of pure algorithmic ranking:

Cold start problem: A phenomenal new restaurant opens. It has no ratings, no historical visit data, no repeat customer signals. Your algorithm buries it. How does it escape this trap? Organic discovery is glacial—it might take months to accumulate enough signals while the business burns cash.

Structural bias: Your algorithm might systematically underweight certain business types. Maybe sit-down restaurants generate longer “time spent” signals than excellent quick-service spots. Maybe your visit detection misses certain building types. The algorithm doesn’t know it’s biased.

Local knowledge asymmetry: The business owner knows their value proposition intimately—they know their recent quality improvements, their new chef, their differentiation. The algorithm is looking backwards at historical data.

Network effects lock-in: Once a place is highly ranked, it gets more visits, more ratings, reinforcing its position. Even if quality declines, the algorithm is slow to react.

Quality-weighted ads let businesses with superior local information challenge the algorithmic ranking. If you’re genuinely better than your algorithmic position suggests, you can bid to prove it. The quality weighting means you only profit if you’re right about your own quality—it’s costly signaling backed by conversion economics. This is “outside-in” because you’re not trying to perfect a centralized algorithm. You’re creating a market mechanism where distributed information surfaces through economic incentives. The businesses that are most undervalued by the algorithm have the strongest incentive to correct it.

Pure algorithmic ranking is central planning. Quality-weighted ads are a market.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pirated a lot when I was younger. Downloaded movies, books especially. Back then, ebooks were barely a thing(early 2000s), and scanned/OCR copies were the only way to get most books to read on a device. I even contacted a few authors and sent them money directly via paypal. But then the market matured. I bought what I could on Amazon. Exported to epub to read as I pleased. Then the Kindle app became horrendous. Now…

its incredible how much easier and convenient pirating ebooks is to buying them. when you pirate them versus buying them: 1a. searching for them has become incredibly easy 1b. searching for them is easy as well 2a. putting them on multiple devices is incredibly easy 2b. depending on the store, then you're going to be restricted to a particular device or app 3a. ten years from now, you'll have the same copy you bought…

> its incredible how much easier and convenient pirating ebooks is to buying them.

Pirating everything is easier than buying, copyright owners have firmly adopted this mindset. It keeps swinging across the line of comfort up and down over the decades and these days its mostly back down. Games don't have OS Ring 0 level denuvo style crap making your computer more vulnerable and slower, and these days all big ones have all patches available pretty quickly after release. Plus sometimes its good to wait few days before applying if its not a disaster, instead of auto-update.

Remember those unskippable FBI warnings in beginning of official movies? Unknown in pirated version. Even these days with say Netflix stuff that is in EU, but isn't in Switzerland (or it is but only in german voiceover, even though I live in french part FFS. Where is original voice? Who knows). Movies keep disappearing from collection. I know, not a fault of Netflix as much as copyright owners, but at the end I don't care. So I have 10 TB local drive, 1080p/4K in quality I prefer, with audio and subs I prefer.

Music - nothing beats local collection of flacs, I can listen to them on plane or elsewhere without any signal (or half around the world with no good roaming), top quality streamed via aptx lossless to Sennheiser plugs, absolute top. For discovery free Spotify is enough, not forking 20 bucks for me & my wife monthly, thats a ridiculous sum just for (average quality) music.

Books - I feel like if I buy/bought I would be re/buying them over my life numerous times, collection stability and ease of use of shops isn't something I trust long term. I agree with all you write above.

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