Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by immibis » Sat, Nov 08, 2025, 4:16 PM UTC

gwd wrote: post #105

vbezhenar wrote: post #93

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What do you mean "modern"? I'm using iPhones since 4S and I don't think that Music or iBooks workflow changed, it's largely the same. So probably Steve Jobs was OK with that.

Um, no? Apple Music wasn't even a thing in the iPhone 4S timeframe. You used to buy music in the iTunes Store, and play it in the music player app. It used to be if you clicked the App Store, and you had apps to update, it would take you to the "Update" tab immediately. Then they changed it to take you to the main page, and you had to click the "Update" tab. Then they changed the updates to be under your account; so…

The thing about Android is that it lets you install apps (for now). In my opinion, that's the killer feature (for now). If you don't like how Google's music app works... install something else. If you want something Google won't allow in their play store... download it somewhere else and install it.

Yes, it still has a billion things wrong with it, including not being able to uninstall the shovelware, and not being able to modify the OS, and I'd rather have a third choice better than both these two.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by immibis » Sat, Nov 08, 2025, 4:17 PM UTC

CWuestefeld wrote: post #355

05 wrote: post #308

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I'm sure the SD thing works for you but some people need music discovery and open source options are lacking there. When you can set up a radio station backed by RED/Lidarr and not have your account go on ratio watch in hours, then we'll talk..

I'm pretty sure that PlexAmp, backed by Plex Media Server, is the pinnacle of music discovery, within whatever you've got in your library. I've got that serving an enormous library that I've compiled through my whole life, but there's no reason (well, other than legalities) you couldn't feed this through the *arrs. The discovery algorithm works based on fundamental metadata, additional data pulled from Last.fm (e.g.,…

I'm pretty sure that it's not really "discovery" if you had to have already found and downloaded the thing you're "discovering".

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by LocalH » Sat, Nov 08, 2025, 4:18 PM UTC

Jobs was a dick, but so were many visionaries. See: Torvalds, Gates, Kildall. All with some dickishness, to varying degrees.

We need people willing to say "fuck you" to bullshit. Otherwise, the boards take over and focus on anything that brings them an extra few bucks.

Enshittification is real, and we need people willing to fight back against it.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by skeptrune » Sat, Nov 08, 2025, 4:20 PM UTC

RestartKernel wrote: post #359

skeptrune wrote: post #357

Does nobody else remember Apple intentionally reducing battery life so you'd have to buy new phones?

Did they? I only recall them reducing clock speed to offset battery degradation.

Yes, I forgot the details and just looked them up.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by jerojero » Sat, Nov 08, 2025, 4:21 PM UTC

b112 wrote: post #297

randycupertino wrote: post #247

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> This is how Amazon is too with the movies and tv shows you bought. There's no way to search your owned library anymore. You just have to page through it to find what you want. And your library is hidden away behind a tiny little unlabeled icon in the upper right corner. This happened with (amazon owned) audible now too. When you try to search your own library instead it shows you books for sale. Even if you search…

I pirated a lot when I was younger. Downloaded movies, books especially. Back then, ebooks were barely a thing(early 2000s), and scanned/OCR copies were the only way to get most books to read on a device. I even contacted a few authors and sent them money directly via paypal. But then the market matured. I bought what I could on Amazon. Exported to epub to read as I pleased. Then the Kindle app became horrendous. Now…

its incredible how much easier and convenient pirating ebooks is to buying them.

when you pirate them versus buying them: 1a. searching for them has become incredibly easy 1b. searching for them is easy as well

2a. putting them on multiple devices is incredibly easy 2b. depending on the store, then you're going to be restricted to a particular device or app

3a. ten years from now, you'll have the same copy you bought 3b. in the case of amazon, they might arbitrarily modify the copy you "own"

Setting up a system for tv shows is a bit cumbersome, and of course disk consuming, but with a little bit of knowledge you get an extremely good and reliable system.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by PrairieFire » Sat, Nov 08, 2025, 4:21 PM UTC

staplers wrote: post #101

gwd wrote: post #75

> From that point on, Steve would go on to spend lavishly on things that improved the experience, and he would reject—often brutally—any idea that diluted or harmed the experience. ...I’ll go out on a limb and say that uninvited advertising is not normally equated with a better customer experience. YES!!! SOO much of the Apple user experience has degraded due to this. I can't listen to my own music that I bought on t…

I very much doubt the execs understand how much they're damaging the brand for that little bit of extra revenue. Our entire societal system is based on increasing revenue (due to inflation). Until we measure, define, and value experience in nominal terms through data, most leaders won't care because it will remain an estimate against hard data.

Yes, profoundly true and sadly profoundly not understood by most. Levers can be pulled for near term quantitative gains at the expense of long term qualitative experience. ERP systems and the like largely measure the quantitative, all things pegged to the almighty dollar. Most orgs have no such system or competency (with the exception of siloed martech systems) for measuring the qualitative. And the customer journey isn’t set up in such a way to reliably and consistently throw off the needed data in the first place. I’ve been preaching that orgs looking for true longevity need to make measuring experiences and sentiment a core competency, so the qualitative impact of levers being pulled can be measured and reported on in realtime, allowing short sighted decisions to be backtracked, and ideally, long term, putting functional guard rails in place that prevent those decisions from being made in the first place.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by shantara » Sat, Nov 08, 2025, 4:27 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #235

gwd wrote: post #75

> From that point on, Steve would go on to spend lavishly on things that improved the experience, and he would reject—often brutally—any idea that diluted or harmed the experience. ...I’ll go out on a limb and say that uninvited advertising is not normally equated with a better customer experience. YES!!! SOO much of the Apple user experience has degraded due to this. I can't listen to my own music that I bought on t…

If Apple puts ads in its Maps, there will be an opening for a gorgeously-skinned OpenStreetMaps app. Possibly even with a $1/year WhatsApp-style subscription. I really fucking hate ads. I’ll first pay to avoid them. If I can’t, I’ll bail. Because we live in a capitalist society, I’ll take folks with me. nose boops Kagi

Organic Maps is very close to be that gorgeous OSM app. Unfortunately, it still lacks a lot of functionality that’s missing from OSM dataset, and is present in most commercial mapping apps, like the opening hours for businesses, public transport schedules or user reviews.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by 6031769 » Sat, Nov 08, 2025, 4:27 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #328

monitron wrote: post #94

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Same reaction here. I think the author certainly crossed a line by using a diffusion model to publish an image of a dead famous person doing something he never did.

Does that somehow invalidate the message of the article?

It weakens the message because knowing that the image is fake casts equal doubt on anything which the text says.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by jerojero » Sat, Nov 08, 2025, 4:27 PM UTC

wafflemaker wrote: post #263

estimator7292 wrote: post #231

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I set this up for my husband who barely knows which end of a PC to use. He's filled up the 4TB media array and now I need more disks (or better retention policies)

It means it gets a lot of use, so you can justify larger disks! Isn't that great?

4tb is not a lot, but I've realised if its for personal use you could just delete things you've already watched.

particularly tv shows, unless you really really want to keep them.

its not necessary to delete movies, IMO, as a 4k HDR 5.1 movie will go for about 30gbs. Not that much.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by kittikitti » Sat, Nov 08, 2025, 4:28 PM UTC

It's not just Apple that's suffering, but every other company. Since Job's death, the entire tech industry lost its visionary. Apple used to be the company that set the high standard for others but now they don't think differently from any other.