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Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by thatguy0900 »

mothballed wrote: post #85
arcfour wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demanding a law because you are unable to tell your kids "no" makes you the bigger fool.

The same people demanding the anti-smart phone laws will rat your ass out the second your kid is spotted walking alone, playing independently, etc. They want to put you in a catch-22 situation. The real problem here is way less people are parents or people that have no idea what parenting is like, so they don't understand the practicalities of raising children so they come up with the dumbest laws possible and then l…

The people doing that are themselves victims of social media and news fear mongering and engagement maxxing

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by boomlinde »

tokai wrote: post #9
casesarplus1 wrote: post #3

How will they achieve that without introducing a requirement to identify yourself on every online platform, which some would say is probably the whole reason for introducing something promoted as being "for the children"™.

With digital ID. They are releasing it in a couple of months. https://digst.dk/it-loesninger/den-digitale-identitetstegneb...

Would social networks accepting Danish users have to implement the other end of that, or will they also be allowed to use less privacy-oriented age verification solutions (e.g. requesting a photocopy of the user's ID)?

It seems to me like it's either a privacy disaster waiting to happen (if not required) or everyone but the biggest players throwing out a lot of bathwater with very little baby by simply not accepting Danish users (if required).

The wording on the page also makes it sound like their threat model doesn't include themselves as a potential threat actor. I absolutely wouldn't want to reveal my complete identity to just anyone requesting it, which the digital ID solution seems to have covered, but I also don't want the issuer of the age attestation to know anything about my browsing habits, which the description doesn't address.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by zurfer »

arcfour wrote: post #73
dlisboa wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social media in the early 2000s is nothing like today.

You're right, kids in the 2000s actually wanted to use social media. It's a dying industry—appropriate timing for a government to make a law to save kids from the evils of it.

The issue is rather the algorithmic feed optimized for grabbing our attention. It's definitely addictive and should be regulated like other drugs.

Give people technology, but let's have an honest conversation about it finally. As a adult it's already hard to muster enough self control to not keep scrolling.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by josephg »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #76
trey-jones wrote: post #53

As a parent who gave my oldest child a (very used) smartphone just before she turned 14, I would be in favor of making smartphones illegal under age 15 (or some other number, higher or lower I don't care). I'm pretty sure they're worse than cigarettes for the future of humanity.

Crazy to think how less government would need to act like a mom if there were one or two parents out there who were familiar with the word "no."

If all the other kids are on social media all the time, it makes it much harder to keep your kids off it. Would you want to be the one kid in school who’s not online? Would you want that for your kids?

Bans like this make much more sense at a community level. Not an individual level.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by exssss »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #76
trey-jones wrote: post #53

As a parent who gave my oldest child a (very used) smartphone just before she turned 14, I would be in favor of making smartphones illegal under age 15 (or some other number, higher or lower I don't care). I'm pretty sure they're worse than cigarettes for the future of humanity.

Crazy to think how less government would need to act like a mom if there were one or two parents out there who were familiar with the word "no."

Except it's not so easy, because there's social pressure on the kids to use them to fit in with the group.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by mrweasel »

worldfoodgood wrote: post #12

Great. Please raise the age to 115.

Even if you're half-joking, there's a very real point to this. It's really not solving the problem. It's moving it very so slightly down the line.

I'm not entirely sure how I'd want to word it, but it would be something like: It is prohibited to profit from engagement generated by triggering negative emotions in the public.

You should be free to run a rage-bait forum, but you cannot profit from it, as that would potentially generate a perverse incentive to undermine trust in society. You can do it for free, to ensure that people can voice their dissatisfaction with the government, working conditions, billionaires, the HOA and so on. I'd carve out a slight exception for unions being allowed to spend membership fees to run such forums.

Also politicians should be banned from social media. They can run their own websites.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by hobom »

mothballed wrote: post #85
arcfour wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demanding a law because you are unable to tell your kids "no" makes you the bigger fool.

The same people demanding the anti-smart phone laws will rat your ass out the second your kid is spotted walking alone, playing independently, etc. They want to put you in a catch-22 situation. The real problem here is way less people are parents or people that have no idea what parenting is like, so they don't understand the practicalities of raising children so they come up with the dumbest laws possible and then l…

Jonathan Haidt, the most prominent psychologist pushing for restrictions on social media use for children, is also the most prominent proponent of letting kids play and roam more freely. So no, those are not the same people.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by barbazoo »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #76
trey-jones wrote: post #53

As a parent who gave my oldest child a (very used) smartphone just before she turned 14, I would be in favor of making smartphones illegal under age 15 (or some other number, higher or lower I don't care). I'm pretty sure they're worse than cigarettes for the future of humanity.

Crazy to think how less government would need to act like a mom if there were one or two parents out there who were familiar with the word "no."

If you live in isolation, totally! We live in a civilization so we have to coordinate and compromise to get along.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by arcfour »

davzie wrote: post #89
arcfour wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Because I'm your parent, and I said no." Do you buy your kids a toy every time you go to the store? Do you feed them candy for dinner?

Neither of those examples result in social ostracism from peers.

I think you are massively overstating how important it is to the kids that they have a social media account. How can it hold that kids would be ignored in real life because they don't interact virtually?
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