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The trust collapse: Infinite AI content is awful

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Re: The trust collapse: Infinite AI content is awful

#51
I wish we were talking about what's next versus what's increasingly here.

How can infinite AI content be strictly awful if it forces us to fix issues with our trust and reward systems? Short term, sure. But infinite (also) implies long term.

I wish I had a really smart game theorist friend who could help me project forward into time if for nothing other than just fun.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to reduce the value of "ouch, it hurts right now" stories and responses.

But damned if we don't have an interesting and engaging problem on our hands right now. There's got to be some people out there who love digging in to complicated problems.

What's next after trust collapses? All of us just give up? What if that collapse is sooner than we thought; can we think about the fun problem now?

Re: The trust collapse: Infinite AI content is awful

#52

Yuval Noah Harari, Sapiens fame [0], has a great quote (paraphrasing): Interviewer: How will humans deal with the avalanche of fake information that AI could bring? YNH: The way humans have always dealt with fake information: by building institutions we trust to provide accurate information. This is not a new phenomenon btw. In democracies, this is often either the government (e.g. the Bureau of Labor Statistics) or…

How very inconvenient it is, then, that at the same time intentional efforts to spread uncertainty and to erode trust in traditional institutions are at an all-time high! Must be a coincidence.

Re: The trust collapse: Infinite AI content is awful

#53

What I get from the article is that, proving that a company will stick around for a while after you’ve subscribed is hard now, because anybody can AI generate the general vibe of the marketing department of a big established player. This seems like it’ll be devastating for companies whose business model requires signing new users up for ongoing subscriptions. Maybe it could lead to a resurgence of the business model…

We already got your money, what do we need to work for again?

Yeah.

The modern software market actually seems like a total inversion of normal human bartering and trade relationships, actually…

In Ye Olden Days, you go to the blacksmith, and buy some horseshoes. You expect the things to work, they are simple enough that you can do a cursory check and at least see if they are plausibly shaped, and then you put them on your horse and they either work or they don’t. Later you sell him some carrots, buy a pot: you have an ongoing relationship checkpointed by ongoing completed tasks. There were shitty blacksmiths and scummy farmers, but at some point you get a model of how shitty the blacksmith is and adjust your expectations appropriately (and maybe try to find somebody better when you need nails).

Ongoing contracts were the domain of specialists and somewhat fraught with risk. Big trust (and associated mechanics, reputation and prestige). Now we’re negotiating an ongoing contracts for our everyday tools, it is totally bizarre.

Re: The trust collapse: Infinite AI content is awful

#54
post #9

AI-esque blog post about how infinite AI content is awful, from "a co-founder at Paid, which is the first and only monetization and billing system for AI Agents".

I'm not saying it's actually written with AI (and indeed, I don't think that's the case; hence my calling it "AI-esque" rather than actually AI generated). It's just that it's a particular style of businessy blog writing that, though originated by humans, AI is now often used to crank out. Lots of bullet points, sudden emphases, etc.

It's just funny, even by hand, to be writing in the infinite AI content style while lamenting the awfulness of infinite AI content while co-founding a monetization and billing system for AI agents.

Re: The trust collapse: Infinite AI content is awful

#56

Doesn't matter. We must keep building more and more technology no matter the cost. Have an idea for a business? Build it. Does your business make the lives of people worse? Doesn't matter, keep pushing. Could some new technology ruin the lives and relationships that people have? Doesn't matter, just build it. We always need more, need to do more. Every experiment is valid, every impulse must be followed. More complex…

Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

Re: The trust collapse: Infinite AI content is awful

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

build things """"people"""" want

People want dopamine hints, gamification, addictive distractions, and a culture of competitive perma-hustle. If they didn't, we wouldn't be having these problems. The problem isn't AI, it's how marketing has eaten everything. So everyone is always pitching, looking for a competitive advantage, "telling their story", and "building their brand." You can't "build trust" if your primary motivation is to sell stuff to you…

> You can't "build trust" if your primary motivation is to sell stuff to your contacts

That is false. You build a different type of trust: people need to trust that when they buy something from you it is a good product that will do what they want. Maybe someone else is better, but it won't be enough better as to be worth the time they would need to spend to evaluate that. Maybe someone else is cheaper, but you are still reasonably priced for the features you offer. They won't get fired for buying you because you have so often been worthy of the trust we give you that in the rare case you do something wrong it was nobody is perfect not that you are no longer trustworthy (you can only pull this trick off a few times before you become untrustworthy)

The above is very hard to achieve, and even when you have it very easy to lose. If you are not yet there for someone you still need to act like you are and down want to lose it even though they may never buy from you often enough to realize you are worth it.

Re: The trust collapse: Infinite AI content is awful

#58

I'm already seeing this. I very much fall into the category of 'delete all email offers' as I'm a small youtuber, big enough to be targeted by AI sponsor deals, so I'm just buried with it. The last five times I've looked at something in case it was a legitimate user email it was AI promotion of someone just like in the article. Their only way to escalate, apart from pure volume, is to take pains to intentionally emul…

YouTubers and other social media influencers are a sort of royalty now, getting to decide by fiat which companies live or die.

But you can’t really even make the case to them anymore because like you said they can’t/won’t even read your email.

What mostly happens is they constantly provide free publicity to existing big players whose products they will cover for free and/or will do sponsored videos with.

The only real chance you have to be covered as a small player is to hope your users aggregate to the scale where they make a request often enough that it gets noticed and you get the magical blessing from above.

Not sure what my point is other than it kinda sucks. But it is what it is.

Re: The trust collapse: Infinite AI content is awful

#59

I wish we were talking about what's next versus what's increasingly here. How can infinite AI content be strictly awful if it forces us to fix issues with our trust and reward systems? Short term, sure. But infinite (also) implies long term. I wish I had a really smart game theorist friend who could help me project forward into time if for nothing other than just fun. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to reduce the…

I suggest we go back to before and be human about things - and build trust in-person.

Re: The trust collapse: Infinite AI content is awful

#60

Doesn't matter. We must keep building more and more technology no matter the cost. Have an idea for a business? Build it. Does your business make the lives of people worse? Doesn't matter, keep pushing. Could some new technology ruin the lives and relationships that people have? Doesn't matter, just build it. We always need more, need to do more. Every experiment is valid, every impulse must be followed. More complex…

Turns out the Torment Nexus was just democratizing Venture Capital's desire for infinite growth.

The paperclip maximizer is us.
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