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I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by Scoundreller »

bcoates wrote: post #192
dylan604 wrote: post #73

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This plus the comment about sharing a circuit with an oven. If the oven is electric, even in the US it is 220v. If it is gas only, then it could be 120v as it only needs to run the igniter and other circuitry without running any heating elements.

I think he said sharing a circuit with a fridge, which are generally 110 in the US -- i think this is how my apartment is wired (2-phase 30A to oven dedicated, one 20A for the whole rest of kitchen) Trying to run a resistive heater on the same circuit as a fridge compressor without tripping leans towards very conservative wattage

That's funny. Code in Ontario Canada is that the fridge needs to be on its own circuit. It's funny because we have an extra-big-ass inverter drive fridge that never draws more than an amp or two, even at startup because it's inherently soft-start.

Just a waste of copper and a beaker really.

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Post by Scoundreller »

Gigachad wrote: post #37
tguvot wrote: post #31

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulator_pump#Use_with_domes...

This seems like something that only makes sense when water is scarce but electricity is cheap. You’d be constantly losing heat to the poorly insulated pipes.

And you're fully losing heat if you dump lukewarm water down the drain (instead of cycling it back to the heater) to eventually get hot water.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by russdill »

emtel wrote: post #154
russdill wrote: post #132

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It seems like it would be trivial for the machine to pump water in, turn on the heating element, and wait until it reaches optimum temperature before beginning the cycle.

My understanding is that energy efficiency requirements prevent this. Dishwashers have a fixed energy budget they are allowed to expend, which may not be enough to heat cold tap water up to the optimal cleaning temp.

So instead it pulls in hot water, but not for long enough to purge the line, so all the 140F water it pulls from the water heater sits in pipes till it cools off.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

alvah wrote: post #213
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #205

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Gas (especially just in time) still works well for water heating even if you can use heat pumps for everything else. No sure when that will flip, I assume it will eventually.

Gas is already outlawed for new builds in Victoria, despite vast gas resources in the Bass Strait. Presumably that's the direction other states are heading too.

It was a direction some states in the USA were heading before Trump, but now… anyways there will come an economic/technological point where electricity just makes more sense like it does for almost everything else. No need to legislate a transition when one will happen naturally, but we aren’t there yet.

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Post by tguvot »

_whiteCaps_ wrote: post #125
tguvot wrote: post #43

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i used cascade powder to refill miele cartridges. there was 0 difference with regards to residue/etc. also SDS was very similiar. i just went to check amazon. cascade complete powder has 4.6 with 9k reviews. if it was subpar, pretty sure that rating would have reflected it. for example plant based detergents hover around 4.

It's also highly dependent on how soft your water is. The people complaining about performance probably have hard water. Do you ever have to descale your kettle / coffee maker?

i used to live in area with very hard water. used softening salt in dishwasher. later switched to pods that were advertised to have water softening compounds and used them without softening salt.

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Post by kxrm »

losvedir wrote: post #83
383toast wrote: post #2

summary: The creator argues that most dishwashers are designed to use a pre-wash dose and a main wash dose of detergent, a fundamental often ignored by single-dose pods, and presents independent ASTM testing confirming the new powder matches or exceeds the performance of a leading premium pod. The video also features a detailed demonstration using temperature logging and peanut butter to stress the importance of purg…

This has been his stance for a long time. He has a lot of dishwasher videos for some reason! One thing I can't get a good answer to is whether the "prewash" step is universally the case or not. I have a good Bosch dishwasher and there's no compartment for a bit of pre-wash detergent. I don't even know if my dishwasher cycle has a pre-wash step. I would assume the dishwasher manufacturer knows what's best. The owner's…

I have a Bosch as well, i sprinkle a bit of powder on the door. It has a pre-wash run which goes quick.

The manual is likely referring to not hand rinsing dishes before loading them which was very common 30 or 40 years ago. I had to train my Mother to stop doing that.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

shalmanese wrote: post #202
bombcar wrote: post #195

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I just want a dishwasher and washing machine that I can load with gallons of soap once a month or whatever, and let it do the detail work for me. I know they exist in the commercial realm, but I'm not 100% certain the wife is ready for a Hobart machine in the kitchen ...

Miele has home dishwashers that do this now. But like all things consumer, it's a proprietary system that's designed to keep you locked into a subscription relationship with the company.

PowerDisk? As long as you load salt and rinse aid, it works like a charm. As you said, if you want to save a bit of money, you can 3D print a replacement. But they last long enough that I don’t mind the cost.

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Post by koolba »

woodpanel wrote: post #92
383toast wrote: post #2

summary: The creator argues that most dishwashers are designed to use a pre-wash dose and a main wash dose of detergent, a fundamental often ignored by single-dose pods, and presents independent ASTM testing confirming the new powder matches or exceeds the performance of a leading premium pod. The video also features a detailed demonstration using temperature logging and peanut butter to stress the importance of purg…

I've micro-optimized my dishwasher setup to have all my 100+ pods and other in-bulk dishwashing-chemicals stored in a compartment between my two dishwashers. I'm also firmly in the camp of having a flat cutlery compartment at the top and not that inefficient, and uncivilized, scarring, basket in bottom section. Until seeing that video I thought I was crazy. I've found my master.

You have two dishwashers in one kitchen?

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Post by throwaway173738 »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #161
olyjohn wrote: post #149

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Is that the point of the air gap? I can't even get a straight answer from plumbers on what it's for. I don't see how that could possibly help with a clogged drain, just seems like a secondary point for the drain water to come out.

I'm fairly sure the point of air gaps on drainage is to prevent sewerage water from backing up in to appliances if the sewerage line is blocked. It will instead spill on the floor where it will be more easily noticed and cleaned.

That’s exactly what it’s for. If you block the sink drain and fill it with water, you can have water flow down the dishwasher drain hose and into the sump in the dishwasher. If that happens during the rinse cycle you’re rinsing with grey water.

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Post by apparent »

selcuka wrote: post #189
orev wrote: post #107

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With pods you can’t add some detergent to the prewash while adding the rest to the main wash cycle. That’s the thing that makes one of the biggest differences.

You can still add powder to the prewash dispenser.

So do a pod and detergent powder? No thanks.
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