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Post by johnnyanmac »

BonitaPersona wrote: post #693
johnnyanmac wrote: post #632

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How is it, that these well-established circles of the democrats, these well oiled machines, where in states like CA or NY (or most US cities) mayorships, senatorships, congressional seats, and governorships are basically handed out by the DNC, fail to win on those issues? You should know this better than the US, but our "democrats" are center right for the rest of the world. The goal is to sound progressive but then…

>You should know this better than the US, but our "democrats" are center right for the rest of the world. The goal is to sound progressive but then act in neoliberal ways You won't know this, but us living in the Czech Republic know that your "democrats" are left of center left. And for a lot of other countries that exist in the real world. Is this proof that the "democrats" are indeed extreme left? If not, in what p…

>Is this proof that the "democrats" are indeed extreme left? If not, in what percentage does or does not?

I'm not a geopolitical scientist, but I'm sure if we compose North American, South America, Europe, and Asia's countries and apply a spectrum on major policy points, you can in fact make an nigh- objective statement here.

But if you want a better lens, sure. The US is center right compared to the EU spectrum, which already congregates 20 other countries to compare to. It's likely center left libertarian when compared to many Asian countries.

I don't think the rest of my analysis is impacted by these lines drawn in the sand since the rest talks about policy and not hard definitions of spectrums.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #845
AbstractH24 wrote: post #827

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because San Francisco progressivism doesn’t win on a national stage. If the message that Democrats take from this is NY progressivism wins on a national stage, we'll certainly lose the next presidential election, and maybe even fail to gain a majority in either the House or Senate during the midterms. That's my biggest fear.

Frankly, the Democrats have done nothing but pander to people who hate them, who will never vote for them, and fucking LOVE their opposition for years now. If there is one thing to take away from the Trump campaigns, it's that pandering to an imaginary moderate is not nearly as effective as being really exciting to your base. All ceding ground to the opposition does is lead to disillusionment and apathy amongst the p…

> pandering to an imaginary moderate is not nearly as effective as being really exciting to your base

The takeaway should be there is no one size fits all.

Under Biden, donors pushed climate and identity politics that don’t work outside far-left Democrat strongholds. Then Kamala clumsily tried finding a centre in a multidimensional policy space which may not have a definable centre.

Mamdani won New York. But “moderates,” i.e. politicians who spoke to economic populism and don’t get distracted by the base, kept Pennsylvania, Virginia and New Jersey. If we want to control national politics, we have to concede that West Virginia and Arizona voters don’t care about the same things as folks in Manhattan and San Francisco. That’s okay. We can embrace that diversity. But it also means we have to respect it and cut out the name calling because a promising candidate on the other side of the country doesn’t embrace your pet issue or identity language.

(Obama campaigned for Mamdani and Spannberger and Prop 50.)

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Post by shagie »

octaane wrote: post #73

You guys have it all wrong. There was only one candidate for the dem party, Here's the list: 1) Cuomo. Sexpest who has been accused by many women of some pretty shitty stuff. Also a member of a multi-generational dynasty, which is not good. 2) Mayor Adams. Federally indicted by the Feds. They have a 99% conviction rate. Not because they're corrupt, but because they only go after people who have dome some really egreg…

For a time warp from The Onion - June 22, 2021 : De Blasio: ‘Well, Well, Well, Not So Easy To Find A Mayor That Doesn’t Suck Shit, Huh?’ https://theonion.com/de-blasio-well-well-well-not-so-easy-to...

I'd also call out October 17, 2025 : Zohran Mamdani Refuses To Share Plan For Making Rich Richer https://theonion.com/zohran-mamdani-refuses-to-share-plan-fo...

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Post by testfoobar »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #875
tayo42 wrote: post #273

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What's an alternative though. It's easy to be critical and not solve people's problems

Sadly many conservative leaning types simply think "nothing is wrong, this is capitalism. Just get a better job and make more money". While also railing against worker protections and wage increases that would be ensure better jobs. In other words: they don't care, as long as it doesn't hurt them. The core mentality of NIMBYism.

Something is observably wrong. The ratio of rent to income has drastically changed against workers - this is destructive to society.

But the cause is deeper than rent price controls, minimum wage and worker protections.

After the 2008 financial crisis, western central banks digitally printed trillions of dollars (Quantitative Easing) to refloat our financial system. The collapse of 2008 was itself the result of perverse incentives leading to banks stuffed with bad mortgages due to speculative housing manias after the collapse of the Dotcom bubble and 9/11.

The response of flooding the financial system with trillions of printed money after 2008 for years was a political choice - supported by Democrats, Republicans and President Obama.

Wealth inequality is the result. It cannot be fixed at a local level through local policies. It cannot be fixed by Congress through policy or tax tweaks. It is a problem with the financial plumbing itself.

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Post by bix6 »

AbstractH24 wrote: post #835
bix6 wrote: post #247

I love how much Mamdani pisses people off just because he wants to buck the status quo. I don’t think he’ll get everything implemented he wants but I respect the mission.

>I love how much Mamdani pisses people off just because he wants to buck the status quo. I don’t think he’ll get everything implemented he wants but I respect the mission. Sounds a lot like the justification many people used to vote for another guy. What to make of that similarity is yet to be seen.

Fair point but Mamdani isn’t a racist thief so far as I can tell?

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Post by tbrockman »

matsemann wrote: post #505
koolba wrote: post #42

I’m a big believer that the people elect the government they deserve. Let’s see how this plays out.

This hoping for a future schadenfreude is kinda nasty. Why wouldn't you want the best for people?

It seems like there are a lot of people who are desperate for reality to conform to their cynicism, out of fear that they (and their world view) are part of the problem.

For whatever reason, for some it's more gratifying to see others fail to prosper if it confirms their beliefs than it is to watch others succeed and have their beliefs challenged (even if it's to their own detriment).

In many cases, I imagine those who would see themselves as "good" use their world view as a way of absolving themselves of guilt for their actions. If I believe that there was never enough for most to lead dignified lives and that society rewards only self-interest, I don't have to regret taking more than necessary, and I can justify my apathy to the suffering of others. "It is the way of things," I can think to myself, "anything else would be foolish and naive." In this way I can find satisfaction even in inequality, comforted by its inevitability--and my own cleverness in understanding it.

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Post by bix6 »

blitz_skull wrote: post #833
text0404 wrote: post #226

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Yeah, didn't you know we're in free fall because of checks notes the influx of Muslim Communists? If only New York had learned this one important lesson then they too wouldn't fall as far as checks notes again the state with the largest GDP of any state.

Willful ignorance doesn't change the facts. California could fall off into the ocean and the United States wouldn't blink. But keep livin' in your bubble if that's what makes you happy.

Lmao dog do you know where your food comes from? CA grows half of the nations fruits, veggies, and nuts. I guess you can just eat soy and corn all day if that happens.

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Post by culi »

sumeno wrote: post #139
culi wrote: post #32

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This is not the case. His main opponent was Cuomo who was the Democrat "establishment" candidate. Zohran narrowly defeated Cuomo in the primary. Typically that's it but Cuomo took the unconventional strategy of running independently in the general with the backing of establishment Democrats. Typically, the Republican candidate would have no chance in a city like NYC. This was the case here as well, but Cuomo calculat…

> Zohran narrowly defeated Cuomo in the primary. 13% is not narrow

Ah, you're right. I forgot it was that stark. Thanks for the correction

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Post by rangestransform »

nemo44x wrote: post #157

Republicans have completely given up on cities and without being able to even field a worthy candidate it’s the sign of a dying party longer term. You simply have to have some influence in cities. But they had none after a 20 year run where they remade NYC after decades of failure. Bloomberg went independent but he got in as a Republican after a successful Giuliani admin (yes he’s tarnished that). But what happened?…

The Republican party in NY has gone off the deep end into identity and grievance politics, whereas the Northeast typically elects pragmatic R's when they do (Bloomberg, Charlie Baker, Mitt Romney)
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