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Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by tsimionescu »

petralithic wrote: post #606
tsimionescu wrote: post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, Thiel is identifying some of the same problems, but the solutions he's proposing are basically the opposite of the ones Mamdani is. Unsurprisingly, he's proposing solutions that benefit billionaires rather than everyone else (e.g. just les us build whatever wherever we want, of course we'll build cheap housing that brings property houses down! Who could ever imagine we'll build luxury mansions that keep propert…

More housing, regardless of type, is directly correlated to cheaper average rents [0]. So Thiel is right in that regard, the red tape for construction and opposition from NIMBYs must be curtailed. [0] https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/733977

NIMBYs typically oppose especially lower cost housing, so it's not surprising that cutting red tape does help reduce housing prices, or at least slows down the rise.

The question is if it is enough - and I would be quite certain it's just a band aid. Unless you impose the construction of cheap housing, cheap housing will tend to not get built - almost every interest is opposed to it.

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Post by tastyfreeze »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #409
gpm wrote: post #58

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Canada here (Ontario really, probably varies by province) - our mayors and city councilors are politicians but they're explicitly forbidden from running as part of a party. Which I honestly think works so well it should be extended to all levels of politics.

Famously, the US founding fathers warned against the dangers of political parties, only to see them spring up in the US anyways. You really need to design your political system carefully so that there is no incentive to form political parties. I don't know if anyone has ever successfully done this. People should be thinking about it more though. Specifically, I think a political party happens when two politicians mak…

The warning about factions wasn't to avoid them. It was that with humans factions are inevitable. The argument was to design a government were the power of factions are minimized or pitted against each other.

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by npteljes »

octaane wrote: post #73

You guys have it all wrong. There was only one candidate for the dem party, Here's the list: 1) Cuomo. Sexpest who has been accused by many women of some pretty shitty stuff. Also a member of a multi-generational dynasty, which is not good. 2) Mayor Adams. Federally indicted by the Feds. They have a 99% conviction rate. Not because they're corrupt, but because they only go after people who have dome some really egreg…

I disagree with this. I mean, it's as straightforward for me as you wrote it. But,

1. It hasn't worked like this when they elected Trump for the second time. Back then Kamala should have been the only valid candidate, according to this thinking.

2. Mamdani got 1,036,051 votes and Cuomo got 854,995. This is not exactly "all of NYC" as you imply.

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Post by AbstractH24 »

reenorap wrote: post #401
michaelbarton wrote: post #13

I hope this win signals (to both parties) that voters are receptive and will get engaged when a clear message is presented about cost of living and quality of life issues. Some of which are taken for granted in most other western countries. I’m no political wonk, and I’m curious what others with more insight might say about his ability to fund and implement his polices. I’m reminided of Obama and his hopeful message…

Obama was hated by San Franciscan progressives because he came in with all of these promises and then backtracked on almost all of them. He basically turned into a Bush-lite, and he even maintained every single one of Bush's policies as well as deadlines. For example, he talked a lot about abortion and then immediately said it wasn't a priority for him once he got into office. He never closed Guantanamo and in both e…

I hope Mamdani turns out to be as good as Obama was.

What was so impressive about Obama was his incredible leadership skills and ability to get elected president DESPITE his racial and ethnic background. That the things the far left saw which drove them to support him were not the ones that led him to be such a good leader for the country.

In 2008, I spent most of the year backpacking through Europe before starting college in the fall. So I truly don't remember much of Obama's first campaign or the tone of it at the time. But there is very little evidence in my mind that Mamdani has any of Obama's abilities. Hopefully either I'm missing something again, or he'll rise to the occasion despite the lack of evidence to suggest it.

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Post by AbstractH24 »

xivzgrev wrote: post #415
reenorap wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama was hated by San Franciscan progressives because he came in with all of these promises and then backtracked on almost all of them. He basically turned into a Bush-lite, and he even maintained every single one of Bush's policies as well as deadlines. For example, he talked a lot about abortion and then immediately said it wasn't a priority for him once he got into office. He never closed Guantanamo and in both e…

I'll give you one reason, among many, it wasn't a failure. It made it illegal to deny people health insurance coverage based on pre existing conditions. That was a big step forward in a broken system to restore some humanity to the system.

How easy people take for granted the status quo and forget that it could be and once was much worse.

You see it all the time in the fight for everything.

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Post by AbstractH24 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #416
reenorap wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama was hated by San Franciscan progressives because he came in with all of these promises and then backtracked on almost all of them. He basically turned into a Bush-lite, and he even maintained every single one of Bush's policies as well as deadlines. For example, he talked a lot about abortion and then immediately said it wasn't a priority for him once he got into office. He never closed Guantanamo and in both e…

> Obama was hated by San Franciscan progressives because Because San Francisco progressivism doesn’t win on a national stage.

> Because San Francisco progressivism doesn’t win on a national stage.

If the message that Democrats take from this is NY progressivism wins on a national stage, we'll certainly lose the next presidential election, and maybe even fail to gain a majority in either the House or Senate during the midterms.

That's my biggest fear.

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Post by hexbin010 »

gmac wrote: post #737
Blackstrat wrote: post #731

Didn't work out well in London. Let's hope NYC does better. Doubt it, but we can always hope.

Says who? And more importantly, on what possible basis? For my money Khan is an infinitely better mayor than ‘let the bodies pile high’ Johnson.

Any particular, material achievements you support? Genuinely curious as someone who lives in the UK but far from London

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Post by AbstractH24 »

metalman wrote: post #666
michaelbarton wrote: post #13

I hope this win signals (to both parties) that voters are receptive and will get engaged when a clear message is presented about cost of living and quality of life issues. Some of which are taken for granted in most other western countries. I’m no political wonk, and I’m curious what others with more insight might say about his ability to fund and implement his polices. I’m reminided of Obama and his hopeful message…

"I’m curious what others with more insight might say about his ability to fund and implement his polices." Zohran has the largest, youngest, mandate in NYC in a very long time. The key is thats it's NYC and the place has an energy all it's own, and Zohran has that, and understands that NYC is always broke falling down, rich, and building up. Think about it, this guy just stood up, and Gotham said Hey!, you!, YES! NYC…

I don't know about age breakdown, but in sheer percent of voters, Mamdani has essentially the same mandate Trump had a year ago.

Make of that what you will.

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Post by AbstractH24 »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

I'm noticing that this election result has made a lot of people I know really hopeful. It's apparent that many people are fed up with the status quo so they're pushing towards more experimental candidates. If anyone here is well-read on his policies and they have specific opinions I'd love to hear what you think. Do you think Zohran will be successful with his agenda or will he get blocked by pushback from other poli…

> I'm noticing that this election result has made a lot of people I know really hopeful.

Since the 2008, the day after every election of a new president, the coalition that elected them had this sense of hope for a brighter tomorrow. One which disappeared within months.

Except maybe 2016, but the bubble I was in was so preoccupied by shock that maybe I missed it (also, I was deeply engrossed in the work I was doing that fall)

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