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Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by mpalmer »

dluan wrote: post #541
FuckButtons wrote: post #462

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That may be so, but how far do you think viral radical left wing populism is going to get you towards regaining people who voted for trump?

well Prop 50 to redraw California's district lines passed by a nearly 30% margin and counting right now. That's an absolute spanking leading up to 26 midterms. The story tonight isn't about Trump at all though, it's about millennial DSA types beating the establishment Democratic institution - in NYC, Detroit, Mississippi. In 24 everyone was astonished at the lack of response - "what is DNC going to do about losing to…

> He's now automatically in the conversation for the Presidential primary for 2028.

I'm really happy he won, but this will not happen

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Post by mpalmer »

voidhorse wrote: post #143
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

I'm noticing that this election result has made a lot of people I know really hopeful. It's apparent that many people are fed up with the status quo so they're pushing towards more experimental candidates. If anyone here is well-read on his policies and they have specific opinions I'd love to hear what you think. Do you think Zohran will be successful with his agenda or will he get blocked by pushback from other poli…

The biggest takeaway to me is how ridiculous it is that the US considers Mamdani somehow "experimental" or even radical. His campaign revolves around three policies: 1. Universal Child Care 2. Fast and Free Busses 3. Freezing Rent for certain Rent Controlled Units In any other context these would be policies that basically every citizen, except for a handful of people making buttloads of money off the privatization o…

> Politics in america is like entering an inverted world in which some weird internal drive actively makes people vote against their own personal interests.

Because that's what the opposition, wrapped in the flag, tells voters to do.

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Post by pjc50 »

jpfromlondon wrote: post #672
CommanderData wrote: post #669

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GBnews has been unrelenting and it's frankly worked to turn non-Londoners against London and Khan. It's disgusting they're allowed to vilify him so much without any accountability.

as a proud Londoner I'd like to see him held accountable for his own lies and questionable behaviour.

.. such as? Compared to previous mayor Boris Johnson?

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Post by [deleted] »

thrance wrote: post #686
sershe wrote: post #171

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Rent control in particular is an economic basket case policy, the fact that it's popular at election time should have about as much bearing on it making sense as the fact that another "experimental" candidate was considered by voters in 2024 to be "better on immigration" As for offering free stuff, the problem that - if you look at relative population numbers - NY, CA, etc are already facing is that on the margin peo…

Sure, the rich will all leave Effing New York City after Mamdani raises taxes by 2% (matching New Jersey's). Don't be ridiculous. This rhetoric of "they'll just leave" is incredibly damaging, this is how we get to the current situation. It's time everyone paid their fair share.

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Post by mlrtime »

tartoran wrote: post #467
miley_cyrus wrote: post #452

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No that is a huge failure. That is perhaps the biggest failure of Obamacare. That means I, as someone with healthy lifestyle habits, has to pay largely the same premium as someone who smokes, is obese, and doesn't exercise. And sure enough, life expectancy in the US immediately stalled after the law's implementation: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/uni... . Exactly what economics would predic…

How about if that is diabetes, or something else that does not depend on lifestyle choices?

You're kidding right? Look up how many people have type 2 diabetes, greater than 90%

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Post by clcaev »

thereitgoes456 wrote: post #584
idiotsecant wrote: post #490

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Look at this Ubermensch that will never have a stroke, develop cancer, or any number of debilitating conditions. Must be nice! It is the basic duty of every human to do their best to make sure every other living human is afforded a life of simple human dignity. Full stop. We have the resources. Let's just do it.

Sadly we do not have, and will never have, the resources to help everyone, even to a baseline of human dignity. Surely we can't give people unlimited talk therapy, MRIs, and cancer treatment for free. But some people sorely need these things. Preventative/propylactic care is orders of magnitude cheaper than treatment once a disease has manifested. It makes sense to me to punish people for not doing this care, thereby…

> Sadly we do not have, and will never have, the resources to help everyone, even to a baseline of human dignity.

This is really a matter of choice. There is a level of treatment that most people could have with far less friction. We just have decided to organize our economy otherwise.

Broadly, we need to stop seeing our economy as a zero sum game. It's dehumanizing. So what if there are a few bad actors that abuse the situation? Most don't. If everyone is doing something harmful, eg smoking, then we need strong public education, etc.

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Post by xtiansimon »

reenorap wrote: post #401
michaelbarton wrote: post #13

I hope this win signals (to both parties) that voters are receptive and will get engaged when a clear message is presented about cost of living and quality of life issues. Some of which are taken for granted in most other western countries. I’m no political wonk, and I’m curious what others with more insight might say about his ability to fund and implement his polices. I’m reminided of Obama and his hopeful message…

Obama was hated by San Franciscan progressives because he came in with all of these promises and then backtracked on almost all of them. He basically turned into a Bush-lite, and he even maintained every single one of Bush's policies as well as deadlines. For example, he talked a lot about abortion and then immediately said it wasn't a priority for him once he got into office. He never closed Guantanamo and in both e…

“…the only thing it did was make it mandatory and unaffordable at the same time.”

That’s such a fraught statement, because the _opposite_ is claimed by supporters of the ACA after the repeal of the mandatory rule.

I’m old enough to remember the failed attempts for healthcare reforms under President Bill Clinton. The ACA felt like a miracle. It wasn’t what everyone wanted, but it was a start with principles. It has only been legislatively weakened over time, rather than improved.

Whatever alternative, employers should not be where we look for our healthcare. Can’t understand why anyone would trust their employer or expect good outcomes in the post-lifelong employment age.

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Post by PyWoody »

ch4s3 wrote: post #320
throwaway81523 wrote: post #240

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Plenty of red states have government run liquor stores. And army bases have government run grocery stores along with government run everything else. I don't see the problem here. Progressive version presumably would be free groceries for everyone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_grocery_store

State liquor stores are terrible, and I’ve never heard anyone say a nice word about on base grocery stores.

I love my state liquor stores.

The staff are treated and paid well, the stores are well stocked and clean, and I pay tax free on some of the lowest prices in the country.

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Post by jijijijij »

codingbot3000 wrote: post #691
testfoobar wrote: post #52

Mamdani's and by extension, his voters', ignorance about the effects of price controls in markets will be an interesting real-time political experiment. When the inevitable unintended outcomes become to emerge who will be blamed? https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/apart... https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform Quoting Paul Krugman (Nobel prize winner and liberal columnist at the NYT). "The analysi…

Good points. All variants of rent control etc. have been tried in Europe and have miserably failed. Quite the opposite, rents have been rising even more, and new construction has been reduced due to new politically induced risks. Examples: Berlin, Barcelona But as Barcelona shows, there is a feedback loop benefiting leftist populist politicians: Higher rents, lower housing supply -> people frustrated -> leftist popul…

Berlin never really had rent control. It's been a few months before the law was abolished for constitutional technicalities. Everybody knew this was a possibility, so you can't make any conclusions about it. Bringing it up is pure propaganda. Nothing failed economically!

We have a federal law which in theory could slow down price progression, but it is rarely applied. It also doesn't govern newly build apartments, so criticism usually falls short there too...

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Post by mlrtime »

jijijijij wrote: post #695
mmooss wrote: post #493

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> Obama ... was, by far, the most charismatic President we've had in modern times Watching old Obama speeches, I find him mostly run-of-the-mill. Trump, whether or not you like him, is far more charismatic - his success is built on his charisma. Also, look up Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan speeches, by maybe that isn't what you mean by 'modern times'.

Compared to Trump, Bush was more charismatic. Apart from the inability to reliably form coherent sentences or speak with any intellect showing, Trump is so consistent in spleens and weird mannerisms, literally every person exposed to it can imitate it recognizably as parody. He's a caricature. People talk about Trump because he/his team excels at distraction through outrage. He's not charismatic, he's dopaminergic.

If all you watch are CNBC and reddit sound bites yes, but if you actually sit and watch long enough a interview, it doesn't happen (as much).

Did you watch the 60 minutes interview?

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