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Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by Craighead »

reenorap wrote: post #401
michaelbarton wrote: post #13

I hope this win signals (to both parties) that voters are receptive and will get engaged when a clear message is presented about cost of living and quality of life issues. Some of which are taken for granted in most other western countries. I’m no political wonk, and I’m curious what others with more insight might say about his ability to fund and implement his polices. I’m reminided of Obama and his hopeful message…

Obama was hated by San Franciscan progressives because he came in with all of these promises and then backtracked on almost all of them. He basically turned into a Bush-lite, and he even maintained every single one of Bush's policies as well as deadlines. For example, he talked a lot about abortion and then immediately said it wasn't a priority for him once he got into office. He never closed Guantanamo and in both e…

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Post by donohoe »

carnufex wrote: post #177
donohoe wrote: post #97

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The city already has a crime problem The city does not have a crime problem. It exists, but its down, and its lower than most comparable (and smaller cities). NYC is safe. Socialism has a bad track record for a reason Only because people confuse it with "communism", otherwise it has a great track record. This isnt even getting into hos antisemitism Yeah, thats why Brad Landers, the most prominent elected Jewish membe…

Socialism works in places with more or less homogenous populations. I always hear Norway/Sweden have universial everything. Yes they do cause taxes are sky high and the culture there is more or less the same. NYC is not Norway. People in Norway let babies sleep outside the supermarket when they go shopping. When you have that level of trust in a society, socialism has a fighting chance for sure. I think the establish…

I think you are cherry picking a few examples that you’ve heard about and inferring so so much into how they work based on generalizations at a country level. Not a very solid base.

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Post by thrance »

FuckButtons wrote: post #462
dluan wrote: post #372

Zohran is exactly the kind of change candidate that the San Francisco machine with Grow SF would actively seek to squash. But Zohran's not alone, today's election was a massive swing back in almost every single race. School boards, city councils, state houses and senates, all swung radically left. It should be ringing alarm bells that the SF / YC / startup community that used to champion utilitarian, meritocratic QoL…

That may be so, but how far do you think viral radical left wing populism is going to get you towards regaining people who voted for trump?

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Post by __d »

Aunche wrote: post #297
jgoodhcg wrote: post #224

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No. I think an honest attempt at doing something "radical" economically for the working class can cross the divides we have.

Radically changing healthcare works out great in people's heads, but then they immediately whine about their Ozempic no longer being covered like in socialized healthcare countries which don't use expensive cutting edge drugs as a first resort. No matter how competent the government is, which ours isn't, any radical change (besides just throwing more money at the problem) will make things worse before they are better…

FWIW, semaglutide is available in Australia via the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (part of the socialized healthcare system), when prescribed for treatment of type 2 diabetes. Which means it is cheap, because the government bulk-buys it at a negotiated price.

There are plenty of treatments that aren’t subsidized, but it’s not as restricted as it might be perceived. There’s very little whining about things not being covered, because most things are.

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Post by dluan »

dluan wrote: post #541
FuckButtons wrote: post #462

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That may be so, but how far do you think viral radical left wing populism is going to get you towards regaining people who voted for trump?

well Prop 50 to redraw California's district lines passed by a nearly 30% margin and counting right now. That's an absolute spanking leading up to 26 midterms. The story tonight isn't about Trump at all though, it's about millennial DSA types beating the establishment Democratic institution - in NYC, Detroit, Mississippi. In 24 everyone was astonished at the lack of response - "what is DNC going to do about losing to…

Err sorry not President, unfortunately.

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Post by thrance »

sershe wrote: post #171
voidhorse wrote: post #143

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The biggest takeaway to me is how ridiculous it is that the US considers Mamdani somehow "experimental" or even radical. His campaign revolves around three policies: 1. Universal Child Care 2. Fast and Free Busses 3. Freezing Rent for certain Rent Controlled Units In any other context these would be policies that basically every citizen, except for a handful of people making buttloads of money off the privatization o…

Rent control in particular is an economic basket case policy, the fact that it's popular at election time should have about as much bearing on it making sense as the fact that another "experimental" candidate was considered by voters in 2024 to be "better on immigration" As for offering free stuff, the problem that - if you look at relative population numbers - NY, CA, etc are already facing is that on the margin peo…

Sure, the rich will all leave Effing New York City after Mamdani raises taxes by 2% (matching New Jersey's). Don't be ridiculous. This rhetoric of "they'll just leave" is incredibly damaging, this is how we get to the current situation. It's time everyone paid their fair share.

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Post by csomar »

chasil wrote: post #149
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #102

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The fact that I was seeing Sliwa favourably speaks to the candidate quality in this race. > No dirt. Other that some stupid stuff he said while he was young Stupid stuff he credibly disavowed. I’m still blown away that after De Blasio he was the only one, when asked a foreign policy question, who said he’d put city priorities first.

It is unfortunate that, after the Spanish Inquisition, Jewish refugees were welcome in Istanbul, but the current receptivity is so much colder. This is exactly the point where the historic tolerance of the middle east is most direly needed, but common ground in so many contexts is absent. I hope that we can put ourselves back together. We've seen the consequences this year of its lack.

Jewish or not Jewish, receptivity was always joint about circumstances and interest. Based on that, refugees or people in special circumstances will be either accepted or rejected. Also, any group of entities can get into these special circumstances depending on what is happening in that time.

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Post by esseph »

esseph wrote: post #322
smbullet wrote: post #94

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Unfortunately that's kind of the reality for NYC. Since Bloomberg left it's been a one party city and ranked choice voting is implemented in the primary but not the general election. That means Democrats can feel comfortable voting for the most radical candidate in the primary without fear they might flop in the general election. Until we get ranked choice in the general election moderates and non-democrats don't rea…

RCV is quickly being outlawed state wide by conservative pushes. I think it was 34 states had banned it last I checked.

Oops, 17!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_Un...

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway81523 wrote: post #240
brandonagr2 wrote: post #134

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Government run grocery stores are middle of the road? What would progressive ideas look like on that spectrum?

Plenty of red states have government run liquor stores. And army bases have government run grocery stores along with government run everything else. I don't see the problem here. Progressive version presumably would be free groceries for everyone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_grocery_store

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Post by terminalshort »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #619
terminalshort wrote: post #267

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There is minimal incentive for corruption in a hereditary aristocracy. Status is determined by birthright rather than accumulation of money. And if you are a lord and do need money, you have the power to tax it legally anyway. So what incentive is there to make or take a bribe? It won't change who your parents are.

Aristocracy itself is state sanctioned corruption. The law is made to privilege certain people above others instead of serving the common good.

Corruption has a meaning, and it's not "the law is unfair."
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