Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

nbcnews.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

571–580 of 1001 posts

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

#571

Post by abenga »

mmooss wrote: post #493
somenameforme wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people had rose colored glasses about Obama because he was, by far, the most charismatic President we've had in modern times. His speeches still give me goose bumps, even when I disagree with what he's saying! That man has the gift of gab. Him also being intelligent further, sadly, makes him an outlier in modern times. But many of the things he did were dubious and ACA is a perfect example of this. It's littl…

> Obama ... was, by far, the most charismatic President we've had in modern times Watching old Obama speeches, I find him mostly run-of-the-mill. Trump, whether or not you like him, is far more charismatic - his success is built on his charisma. Also, look up Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan speeches, by maybe that isn't what you mean by 'modern times'.

> his success is built on his charisma.

Print out one of his speeches and read them. His success is built on backlash against the shock of seeing a black president.

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

#572

Post by whoooboyy »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #518
idle_zealot wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No? The policy is to freeze the rent in rent-controlled units for his entire term, which is as long as he can. The long-term solution is of course to build more units.

The freeze will have the same effect that rent control has always had, for the past decades in NY and elsewhere: make the situation worse. It being "temporary for his entire term" just means that the negative consequences will be "temporary for his entire term"; is that supposed to be a selling point? What was the definition of insanity again?

Worse for who? Better for who? I guarantee you the people who live in the rent control apartments aren't thinking they are worse off from it.

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

#574

Post by pjc50 »

FuckButtons wrote: post #462
dluan wrote: post #372

Zohran is exactly the kind of change candidate that the San Francisco machine with Grow SF would actively seek to squash. But Zohran's not alone, today's election was a massive swing back in almost every single race. School boards, city councils, state houses and senates, all swung radically left. It should be ringing alarm bells that the SF / YC / startup community that used to champion utilitarian, meritocratic QoL…

That may be so, but how far do you think viral radical left wing populism is going to get you towards regaining people who voted for trump?

You don't need to get them back, you just need to motivate the more normal voters and demoralize the weird ones.

There seem to be people who voted for Trump as an anti establishment candidate. Now, they're obviously completely unmoored from reality, but perhaps they'd like another anti establishment candidate?

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

#575

Post by apparent »

octaane wrote: post #73

You guys have it all wrong. There was only one candidate for the dem party, Here's the list: 1) Cuomo. Sexpest who has been accused by many women of some pretty shitty stuff. Also a member of a multi-generational dynasty, which is not good. 2) Mayor Adams. Federally indicted by the Feds. They have a 99% conviction rate. Not because they're corrupt, but because they only go after people who have dome some really egreg…

> his policies are relatively common sense and middle of the road

Free buses and free child care are not remotely common policies in the US. Ditto for govt-run grocery stores. And freezing rent for controlled units.

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

#576

Post by preommr »

Left wing candidate wins in extremely Left wing city, against "Cuomo"[0], to become mayor and people are celebrating this like it's some historical achievement.

Everyday I grow more blackpilled about the balance of powers in the US if this is what the left-wing has going for it.

[0] His name alone should be a synonym for how bad of a candidate he was, there's no single label good enough (like sex offender) to cover how bad he was.

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

#578

Post by svara »

Eisenstein wrote: post #473
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Manchun was genuinely the best Democrats could hope for from West Virginia. Sinema was absolutely not the best Democrats could hope for from Arizona Sure. My point is both are preferable to a MAGA enabler. If you lose perspective and start aiming for perfection at the expense of the good enough, you lose power.

Maybe, maybe not. The problem with being fine not 'losing power' but without actually doing anything that your constituents need while facing an uncompromising opposition that is trying to destroy the way of life of your constituents is that you end up losing most of the battles while losing any active support. When people only vote for you because they are afraid of the opposition and not because they think you are…

In a country as conservative as yours, if you're culturally in line with the 'coastal elites' (forgive my use of this term), you can't expect a stable majority by being uncompromising.

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

#580

Post by jaggederest »

bradlys wrote: post #410
jaggederest wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't behave like a political party any more. It's not just the business of politics as usual and a generational shift, it's something different. I've been trying to coin a term for this internal takeover - I think nihilocracy, or nihilocratic populism, is the best I've come up with. The party as a whole is uninterested in governing beyond seeking revenge and satisfying the charismatic eschatological movement th…

I see the supporter being nihilistic and purely out for revenge. I don’t see that with people in positions of power. They’re looking to line their pockets and they’ll take advantage of a vengeful constituency. True of both major parties. That’s why they focus on social issues and then pass legislation (or lack thereof) that allows them to all get rich.

Yep, I agree. I see the rank and file as being largely nihilistic but the leadership as being either pure ideologues or completely cynical. Either way, the stated values aren't the real ones, but they differ in whether they're working towards other goals or pure self-aggrandizement.
Post reply on HN