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Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Taek wrote: post #137
octaane wrote: post #73

You guys have it all wrong. There was only one candidate for the dem party, Here's the list: 1) Cuomo. Sexpest who has been accused by many women of some pretty shitty stuff. Also a member of a multi-generational dynasty, which is not good. 2) Mayor Adams. Federally indicted by the Feds. They have a 99% conviction rate. Not because they're corrupt, but because they only go after people who have dome some really egreg…

It's not clear to me why a multigenerational dynasty specifically is a bad thing? Presumably the kids can learn from the parents, get connected, etc. Also, Mamdani's policies are incredibly controversial, that's why it's such big news. Lots of people predicting that Mamdani's criminal policies, economic policies, and lack of experienced staffers will lead the city to dark days.

> not clear to me why a multigenerational dynasty specifically is a bad thing?

Aristocracies are more stable but less efficient. That creates an incentive for corruption when growth inevitably stalls. Which leads to catastrophic instability.

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by threatofrain »

parineum wrote: post #150
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he called for universal health care but once he was elected he started saying it was "too radical" ACA was the most radical package that could have passed, and it still cost Democrats the Congress. This line of argument reminds of the folks who complained about Sinema and Manchin. You know what we’d have with a few more Sinemas and Manchins in the party right now? A majority. The bill that passes is better than the…

> The bill that passes is better than the ideal that doesn’t. For your resume, sure. Sometimes reform only works when you fully commit and if half the country isn't on board, it's not better to pass some mutilated and watered down version.

No, losing ACA matters. It's a good program that's helping people afford or qualify for life insurance. I was able to get insurance because of it.

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by Spivak »

Taek wrote: post #137
octaane wrote: post #73

You guys have it all wrong. There was only one candidate for the dem party, Here's the list: 1) Cuomo. Sexpest who has been accused by many women of some pretty shitty stuff. Also a member of a multi-generational dynasty, which is not good. 2) Mayor Adams. Federally indicted by the Feds. They have a 99% conviction rate. Not because they're corrupt, but because they only go after people who have dome some really egreg…

It's not clear to me why a multigenerational dynasty specifically is a bad thing? Presumably the kids can learn from the parents, get connected, etc. Also, Mamdani's policies are incredibly controversial, that's why it's such big news. Lots of people predicting that Mamdani's criminal policies, economic policies, and lack of experienced staffers will lead the city to dark days.

I really don't get the doom and gloom on this, NYC now has a mayor that might inadvertently fuck over the city trying to do right by working class folks instead of a mayor who does it as a matter of course. Forget policy disagreements, just the fact that we have a successful politician any side of the isle that is not currently gargling the balls of rich people and actually has some principles is so refreshing.

You are demand better of your government than "the blatant corruption you've learned to live with."

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by edbaskerville »

js2 wrote: post #44
NewJazz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes I think about what we could have had. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_Americans_Act

And 15 years before that was Hillarycare (1993): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_19... (Fuck you Bill Kristol.) There's a long, sad, littered history of attempts at universal care in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_health_care_reform_...

Bill Kristol has come a long way! He would vote for Mamdani...over Cuomo and Sliwa anyway.

https://www.cmcforum.com/post/bill-kristol-says-he-would-vot...

You can hear him discussing it here:

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/bill-kristol-fake-news-on-60-mi...

I'm also reminded of the time Jon Stewart got Bill Kristol to admit that a government-run health care system (the VA) was good:

https://youtu.be/rRSZiWwiBuE

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by jen729w »

nialv7 wrote: post #110
octaane wrote: post #73

You guys have it all wrong. There was only one candidate for the dem party, Here's the list: 1) Cuomo. Sexpest who has been accused by many women of some pretty shitty stuff. Also a member of a multi-generational dynasty, which is not good. 2) Mayor Adams. Federally indicted by the Feds. They have a 99% conviction rate. Not because they're corrupt, but because they only go after people who have dome some really egreg…

well 40% still voted for Cuomo.

That 40% would have voted for a potato if it'd been wearing a red tie.

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by testfoobar »

Spooky23 wrote: post #131
testfoobar wrote: post #52

Mamdani's and by extension, his voters', ignorance about the effects of price controls in markets will be an interesting real-time political experiment. When the inevitable unintended outcomes become to emerge who will be blamed? https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/apart... https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform Quoting Paul Krugman (Nobel prize winner and liberal columnist at the NYT). "The analysi…

Fascinating, yet rents have increased faster than inflation even as rent control has waned in NYC. The problem with citing studies from 1992 is that you’re missing the last 25 years of war inflation hidden through various schemes of quantitative easing and capitalization. We’ve made capital so easy to get everything is fungible and inflates as everyone from families to foreign rich people looking to exfiltrate cash f…

The underlying cause of runaway asset price inflation is ZIRP and QE. Renters experience it as rent increases outpacing wage increases - this is socially destructive. But neither Mamdani (DSA) or Democrats or Republicans are willing to touch Federal Reserve QE.

Senator Schumer (D-NY) famously said in 2012 to Ben Bernanke (Federal Reserve Chair): 'Get To Work Mr. Chairman' - encouraging him to start Quantitative Easing 3 (QE3) - a program to digitally print $40billion and eventually $85billion per month of "money" and injecting it into the financial system.

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by aidenn0 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #159
aidenn0 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...Said less than 51% of voters

We can call winners this early. We can’t yet call margins.

Good point; still mathematically less than 60% if you trust AP's estimated remaining vote count.

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by parineum »

octaane wrote: post #73

You guys have it all wrong. There was only one candidate for the dem party, Here's the list: 1) Cuomo. Sexpest who has been accused by many women of some pretty shitty stuff. Also a member of a multi-generational dynasty, which is not good. 2) Mayor Adams. Federally indicted by the Feds. They have a 99% conviction rate. Not because they're corrupt, but because they only go after people who have dome some really egreg…

> his policies are relatively common sense and middle of the road, and are aimed at leveling the playing field.

That's not true at all. He is not even "middle of the road" in the Democratic party.

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Post by GenerWork »

octaane wrote: post #73

You guys have it all wrong. There was only one candidate for the dem party, Here's the list: 1) Cuomo. Sexpest who has been accused by many women of some pretty shitty stuff. Also a member of a multi-generational dynasty, which is not good. 2) Mayor Adams. Federally indicted by the Feds. They have a 99% conviction rate. Not because they're corrupt, but because they only go after people who have dome some really egreg…

>his policies are relatively common sense and middle of the road.

Rent control isn't middle of the road, it's 100% socialist. Same thing with city run grocery stores. He also wants to defund the police while replacing them with community outreach people, as well as raising the minimum wage to $30 in 5 years which is absolutely wild. None of this is middle of the road in any way, shape, or form.

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