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Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by HellDunkel »

lisbbb wrote: post #241
seydor wrote: post #165

The fact that people in here (who are richer than average) disagree with his policies makes his election more hopeful

Why is that? I think many of us who are educated in history understand the risks of collectivism. It has never worked out anywhere. I see it as basically a marketing cover for oligarchy. The Western world should aspire to better than China. I'm not even a conservative, just read a lot. Humanity has had some pretty hellish experiences with communism and yet we keep "going there."

Greetings from western europe. Not so bad and communist around here. They call it social capitalism.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

seydor wrote: post #165

The fact that people in here (who are richer than average) disagree with his policies makes his election more hopeful

The reality, which kinda sucks and is boring, is that generally people with money understand how money works, and why things like rent control, government grocery stores, and free [expensive service], are financially brutal policies.

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Post by lapcat »

potamic wrote: post #227
Tiktaalik wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Run from the Left, govern from the Right. A pretty classic political electoral strategy of centrist liberals.

Why would someone do that? Especially for presidency which is the final stage of their career? They're not beholden to or reliant on anyone no more so shouldn't have to be swayed by any adverse interests.

Look at Obama's net worth when he left office and now.

Look at Bill Clinton's net worth when he left office and now.

It wasn't the final stage of their career but only the beginning.

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Post by monocasa »

js2 wrote: post #44
NewJazz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes I think about what we could have had. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_Americans_Act

And 15 years before that was Hillarycare (1993): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_19... (Fuck you Bill Kristol.) There's a long, sad, littered history of attempts at universal care in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_health_care_reform_...

Interestingly, the ACA can trace its roots to the Republican counter proposal to Hillarycare written by the Heritage Foundation of recent Project 2025 fame.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Equity_and_Access_Refor...

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Post by howlingfantods »

nichos wrote: post #214
bentt wrote: post #35

I'm happy he won. It's symbolic of voter dissatisfaction. Someone's got to take billionaires on and it might as well be a 34 year old mayor of NYC. Why not? It's honestly staggering how much older Trump is than this guy. 45 years!

What's the issue with billionaires?

They shouldn’t exist

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Post by dralley »

peanuty1 wrote: post #249
dralley wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mamdani. Millennial candidate. No dirt. Other that some stupid stuff he said while he was young, his policies are relatively common sense and middle of the road, and are aimed at leveling the playing field. Look, Mamdani ran a good campaign, and if I was an NYC voter (I am not) I'd probably vote for him out of the options provided. However, this just is not true. Many of his policies are neither "common sense" nor…

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1) "intifada" has not historically meant "peaceful resistance". It has referred to events like October 7th, and the 1st and 2nd intifadas which killed more people than the Troubles did in about 1/3rd as much time, etc.

2) Also dumb shit like "queer liberation means defund the police" and "when the boot of the NYPD is on your neck, it's been laced by the IDF"

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Post by nobody9999 »

Taek wrote: post #137
octaane wrote: post #73

You guys have it all wrong. There was only one candidate for the dem party, Here's the list: 1) Cuomo. Sexpest who has been accused by many women of some pretty shitty stuff. Also a member of a multi-generational dynasty, which is not good. 2) Mayor Adams. Federally indicted by the Feds. They have a 99% conviction rate. Not because they're corrupt, but because they only go after people who have dome some really egreg…

It's not clear to me why a multigenerational dynasty specifically is a bad thing? Presumably the kids can learn from the parents, get connected, etc. Also, Mamdani's policies are incredibly controversial, that's why it's such big news. Lots of people predicting that Mamdani's criminal policies, economic policies, and lack of experienced staffers will lead the city to dark days.

>Mamdani's policies are incredibly controversial, that's why it's such big news.

Which policies are "incredibly controversial?" And be specific.

Here'a a direct link to his platform for your reference"

https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform

No rush. I'll wait.

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Post by thmoonbus »

lisbbb wrote: post #264
ecshafer wrote: post #70

I hope this turns out well for New York, but I am doubtful. Rent control is such a colossally bad idea, a rent freeze is going to be a disaster. This is going to further increase the lottery nature of New York City real estate, and reduce investment. His plans are set to drive finance and businesses out of the city in his goal to give away money to everyone, which will bankrupt the city. Socialism has a bad track rec…

I don't know why people reflexively vote down comments like this one since it is completely reasonable in every way. Just, I guess, leftists who can't accept viewpoints they don't agree with? Like really--read some history books, maybe read up on how bad communism was in Eastern Europe and what led to its total collapse? Let's not go down that road again! There's plenty of examples out there already. I don't even get…

Maybe it's because you're throwing around terms like "communism" incorrectly while simultaneously telling people they need to read history books.

It's the same term Trump has been using to fear monger around Zoran's candidacy, and doesn't seem to relate to any of his actual policies.

If you can enlighten us about the relationship between 1950s soviet bloc communism in eastern europe and a fairly run-of-the-mill 2020s Bernie-styled democratic socalist platform, I'm all ears.

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Post by monocasa »

koolba wrote: post #202
Braxton1980 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about those who had pre-existing conditions who were able to get insurance? Doesn't that bring cost down for them?

High risk pools existed before the ACA.

High risk pools existed in 35 states, and almost universally refused to cover preexisting conditions for about the first year.
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