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Re: Tell HN: X is opening any tweet link in a webview whether you press it or not

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Post by mrbombastic »

carlosjobim wrote: post #181
PyWoody wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Why doesn't Google de-rank content that requires a login? I remember they used to claim they did but they clearly do not anymore.

Because people can get a login. If the best quality result is behind a login and a paywall, I still want it to be the first result. Only quality should decide ranking.

Openness and accessibility should absolutely be factors in ranking, otherwise where does it end? I dk what twitter requires these days, maybe an email, password and a couple more fields, what if a site starts doing id verification? What if accounts require a subscription? What if all the best content on the first page of your search results is behind a paywall with 3 easy payments of $299

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Post by labrador »

-_- wrote: post #226
looobay wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was research on LLMs training and distillation that if two models have a similar architecture (probably the case for Xai) the "master" model will distill knowledge to the model even if its not in the distillation data. So they probably need to train a new model from scratch. (sorry i don't remember the name but there was an example with a model liking howl to showcase this)

Subliminal learning: https://alignment.anthropic.com/2025/subliminal-learning/

If true, bad news for Elon Musk and xAI because they have to start over. He's already indicated this in regards to Wikipedia. He wants to train on Grokepedia and not Wikipedia. Removing NSFW material gives him another reason.

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

meowface wrote: post #159
elAhmo wrote: post #70

Again, anyone still using Twitter should know they are contributing to the richest man in the world actively pushing to disrupt the core fabric of our society.

I fully agree with your stance on Elon but I simply find Twitter too useful for too many things to quit. I've tried Bluesky and although I am very left-leaning on sociocultural topics I just find them too... annoying over there. (I'm closer to neoliberal on economic topics and that's also a bit of an issue there. And I like AI and they pretty much all deeply hate AI.)

Simon Willison is on Bluesky, and I'm going to go out on a relatively safe limb and suggest that if you check out what he reposts, who he follows, etc., you will find people who do not deeply hate AI. I do think Bluesky, in general, is a lot like the Twitter of, say, 15 years ago, where the quality of one's feed is very much dependent on how aggressively one curates it -- although I wish they would finally add a feature for selectively turning off reposts user by user.

(It is absolutely true that a lot of creators hate AI, although I would argue that they have fair reasons to do so given the way AI is frequently presented / talked about / used. I find it unfortunate that everything remotely related to machine learning has now been rebranded as "AI", which leads people to reflexively dunk on tools that really aren't that much like the AI they have in their heads, but it's not their fault.)

Re: Tell HN: X is opening any tweet link in a webview whether you press it or not

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Post by graemep »

PyWoody wrote: post #169
robot-wrangler wrote: post #17

Since we're doing PSAs, isn't it also now just a completely broken platform on mobile for everyone who isn't logged in? > Something went wrong, but don't fret - let's give it another shot. This is all I've seen for literally years now. No real error, does not even say to login or install an app, just blames it on my privacy extensions (I don't actually have any) and offers a button to pointlessly try again. No big lo…

Serious question: Why doesn't Google de-rank content that requires a login? I remember they used to claim they did but they clearly do not anymore.

They have had ways of letting people who give Googlebot access to content that requires login for a long time. A decade?

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Post by scuff3d »

ceejayoz wrote: post #120
CaptWillard wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please show your work.

Musk's own lawyers did the work for us. https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/06/tech/twitter-files-lawyers/in... > “Nothing in the new materials shows any governmental actor compelling or even discussing any content-moderation action with respect to Trump” and others participating in the suit, Twitter argued. > The communications unearthed as part of the Twitter Files do not show coercion, Twitter’s lawyers wrote, “because th…

"Show you're work"

Does exactly that using Musk's own lawyers

"...Wait no you weren't suppose to actually do that..."

Re: Tell HN: X is opening any tweet link in a webview whether you press it or not

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Post by verdverm »

agos wrote: post #35
robot-wrangler wrote: post #17

Since we're doing PSAs, isn't it also now just a completely broken platform on mobile for everyone who isn't logged in? > Something went wrong, but don't fret - let's give it another shot. This is all I've seen for literally years now. No real error, does not even say to login or install an app, just blames it on my privacy extensions (I don't actually have any) and offers a button to pointlessly try again. No big lo…

remember when part of the commentary was "ha! twitter fired one bajllion people and it's still operating fine". I keep seeing errors, much more than in the flying whale era, just now they appear to be in the frontend.

> flying whale era

Is that the same as the fail whale era?

Re: Tell HN: X is opening any tweet link in a webview whether you press it or not

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Post by alpineman »

itsoktocry wrote: post #205

I've been a long-time Twitter user. I don't hate Elon, so when he bought it I was cautiously optimistic. I deactivated last week. The platform is bad and getting worse. It's scammy and spammy. Everything is designed around garbage engagement, so that the X team can brag about how good the product is doing.

I am honestly curious what Elon would need to do for you to dislike him. That ship sailed for me long ago

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Post by rolandog »

tshaddox wrote: post #245
bradly wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly... I _really_ dislike clicking a link in Safari on iOS and it opening an App instead of going to the web page. I have the YouTube app installed and use it on occasion, but its really jarring when I click an organic search result in Duck and get launched into an app that may not have the same privacy settings my browser is setup with.

Ironically, I have the opposite complaint with YouTube, particularly with these new Twitter web views. It takes 3 “navigations” now to get to the iOS YouTube app: one to open the Twitter web view, one to open that URL in Safari, then one to open at YouTube video in the native app.

Isn't that because they ask you to sign in if you're not leaking enough information?
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