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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by eYrKEC2 »

INTPenis wrote: post #132
dingdingdang wrote: post #54

Having at some point maintained a soft fork / patch-set for Nextcloud.. yes, there is so much performance left on the table. With a few basic patches the file manager, for example, sped up by magnitudes in terms of render speed. The issue remains that the core itself feels like layers upon layers of encrusted code that instead of being fixed have just had another layer added ... "something fundamental wrong? Just add…

This is my theory as well. NC has grown gradually in silos almost, every piece of it is some plugin they've imported from contributions at some point. For example the reason there's no cohesiveness with a common websocket bus for all those ajax calls is because they all started out as a separate plugin. NC has gone full modularity and lost performance for it. What we need is a more focused and cohesive tool for docum…

Why do you need a common websocket bus when h2 interleaves all the HTTP requests over the same SSL tunnel?

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Post by jhot »

mickael-kerjean wrote: post #19
bArray wrote: post #15

NextCloud does feel slow. What I want is not only a cloud service that does lots of common tasks, but it also should do it lightly and simply. I'm extremely tempted to write a lightweight alternative. I'm thinking sourcehut [1] vs GitHub. [1] https://sourcehut.org/

I made one such lightweight alternative frontend: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash

I've been running filestash in front of sftpgo (using a combination of s3 and nfs for file backends) for a couple years now and have been very happy with it.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by jjav »

palata wrote: post #27

I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…

Nextcloud is great, but I don't use it for backup (didn't realize it would even do that) so maybe that's why.

I use it for a family cloud service for chat, shared todo lists, shared calendar and shared editing docs (don't want to put anything private on e.g. google docs).

For all that, it's full of awesome.

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Post by flanbiscuit »

nucleardog wrote: post #67
lompad wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently people built a super-lightweigt alternative, named copyparty[0]. To me that looks like it does everything people tend to need without all the bloat. [0]: https://github.com/9001/copyparty

I think "people" deserves clarification: Almost the entire thing was written by a single person and with a _seriously_ impressive feature set. The launch video is well worth a quick watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15_-hgsX2V0&pp=ygUJY29weXBhc... I don't say this to diminish anyone else's contribution or criticize the software, just to call out the absolutely herculean feat this one person accomplished.

There was an HN discussion about it 3 months ago with responses from the author, in case anyone is interested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44711519

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Post by peanut-walrus »

lompad wrote: post #38
palata wrote: post #27

I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…

Recently people built a super-lightweigt alternative, named copyparty[0]. To me that looks like it does everything people tend to need without all the bloat. [0]: https://github.com/9001/copyparty

Personally, the only thing I need is stable clients on both desktop and mobile with bidirectional sync. Copyparty seems really cool, but it explicitly does not do that.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by iN7h33nD »

accrual wrote: post #129
RiverCrochet wrote: post #32

I've played around with many self-hosted file manager apps. My first one was Ajaxplorer which then became Pydio. I really liked Pydio but didn't stick with it because it was too slow. I briefly played with Nextcloud but didn't stick with it either. Eventually I ran into FileRun and loved it, even though it wasn't completely open source. FileRun is fast, worked on both desktop and mobile via browser nicely, and I neve…

On the topic of self-hosted file manager apps, I've really liked "filebrowser". Pair it with Syncthing or another sync daemon and you've got a minimal self-hosted Dropbox clone. * https://github.com/filebrowser/filebrowser * https://github.com/hurlenko/filebrowser-docker

Same. Just recently switch over to filebrowser-quantum. Can’t quite endorse it yet, but it’s promising so far (setup in a docker compose was a bit like wack-a-mole, but so was the original) https://github.com/gtsteffaniak/filebrowser

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Post by aeldidi »

realaaa wrote: post #274
aeldidi wrote: post #230

Nextcloud is something I have a somewhat love-hate relationship with. On one hand, I've used Nextcloud for ~7 years to backup and provide access to all of my family's photos. We can look at our family pictures and memories from any computer, and it's all private and runs mostly without any headaches. On the other hand, Nextcloud is so far from being something like Google Docs, and I would never recommend it as a gene…

is Immich that thing? I've played with it, but didn't really dig deeper they claim they can do it all when it comes to pictures and videos etc

I use my Nextcloud as a general file storage thing, I just emphasized the photo aspect because that’s my family’s main use case.

I have heard of Immich though, perhaps I owe it an honest try someday.

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Post by aeldidi »

nyadesu wrote: post #288
realaaa wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is Immich that thing? I've played with it, but didn't really dig deeper they claim they can do it all when it comes to pictures and videos etc

Immich is actually usable, thumbnail previews work without any previous setup, and the mobile app is pretty responsive Unlike Nextcloud, I feel I can rely on it and feel I can upgrade without issues

That sounds really promising, maybe my family would be better suited to something like that.

I will say though, Nextcloud is almost painless when it comes to management. I’ve had one or two issues in the past, but their “all in one” docker setup is pretty solid, I think. It’s what I’ve been using for the last year or so.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by aeldidi »

xandrius wrote: post #258

I know people here don't like it when one answers to complaints about OSS projects with "go fix it then" but seeing the comment section here, it's hard to not at least think it. About 50-100 people saying that they know exactly why NC is slow, bloated, bad, but fail to a) point out a valid alternative, b) to act and do something about it. I'm going to say that I love NC despite its slow performance. I own my storage,…

Yep, this sums it up perfectly for me. I tend to stay away from the extra stuff since the quality is hit or miss (more often hit than miss to be fair), but really there’s something special about having something like it available. I think as a freely available package Nextcloud is immensely valuable to me. I never say anything bad about it without mentioning that in the same breath nowadays.
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