Is Nextcloud reliable enough for "production" use?
Last time I heard a certain privacy community recommended against Nextcloud due to some issues with Nextcloud E2EE.
Why Nextcloud feels slow to use
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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use
#52For reference, 20 MB is three hundred and thirteen Commodores.
The article suggests that it takes 14MB of Javascript to do just the calendar. I doubt that all of my calendar events for 2025 is 14MB.
Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use
#53I don't doubt that large amounts of javascript can often cause issues but even when cached NextCloud feels sluggish. When I look at just the network tab of a refresh of the calendar page it does 124 network calls, 31 of which aren't cached. it seems to be making a call per calendar each of which is over 30ms. So that stacks up the more calendars you have(and you have a number by default like contact birthdays).
The Javascript performance trace shows over 50% of the work is in making the asynchronous calls to pull those calendars and other network calls one by one and then on all the refresh updates it causes putting them onto the page.
Supporting all these N calendar calls is pulls individually for calendar rooms and calendar resources and "principles" for the user. All separate individual network calls some of which must be gating the later individual calendar calls.
Its not just that, it also makes a call for notifications, groups, user status and multiple heartbeats to complete the page as well, all before it tries to get the calendar details.
This is why I think it feels slow, its pulling down the page and then the javascript is pulling down all the bits of data for everything on the screen with individual calls, waiting for the responses before it can progress in many ways to make the further calls of which there can be N many depending on what the user is doing.
So across the local network (2.5Gbps) that is a second and most of it in waiting for the network. If I use the regular 4G level of throttling it takes 33.10 seconds! Really goes to show how bad this design does with extra latency.
Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use
#54Having at some point maintained a soft fork / patch-set for Nextcloud.. yes, there is so much performance left on the table. With a few basic patches the file manager, for example, sped up by magnitudes in terms of render speed.
The issue remains that the core itself feels like layers upon layers of encrusted code that instead of being fixed have just had another layer added ... "something fundamental wrong? Just add Redis as a dependency. Does it help? Unsure. Let's add something else. Don't like having the config in a db? Let's move some of it to ini files (or vice versa)..etc..etc." it feels like that's the cycle and it ain't pretty and I don't trust the result at all. Eventually abandoned the project.
Edit: at some point I reckon some part of the ecosystem recognised some of these issues and hence Owncloud remade a large part of the fundamentals in Golang. It remains unknown to me whether this sorted things or not. All of these projects feel like they suffer badly from "overbuild".
Edit-edit: another layer to add to the mix is that the "overbuild" situation is probably largely what allows the hosting economy around these open source solutions to thrive since Nextcloud and co. are so over-engineered and badly documented that they -require- a dedicated sys-admin team to run well.
Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use
#55I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…
For your specific use case of photos, Immich is the front runner and a much better experience. Sadly for the general Dropbox replacement I haven't found anything either.
For a general file sharing / storage solution there is also OpenCloud: https://opencloud.eu/de
It's what I want to try next. Written in go, it looks promising.
Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use
#56I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…
I’ve tried every scheme under the sun and Immich is the only thing I’ve ever seen that actually works for this use case
Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any good file syncing/drive replacements? My Synology exists pretty much because Synology Drives works so well syncing Mac and iOS.
Seafile works pretty well. The iOS app is ass though. Everything else is rock solid.
Where does it store metadata like the additional file properties you can add? Does it use Alternate Data Streams for anything?
Does the AI run locally?
For anyone who might find it useful, here's a Reddit thread from 3 years ago on a few concerns about SeaFile I'd love to see revisited with some updated discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/wzdp2p/are_ther...
Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use
#58I've never used nextcloud, but I always imagined that the point is you can run services but then plug in any calendar app etc. You don't have to be running nextclouds calendar, I thought. Did I misundestand how it works?
Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use
#59I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…
I use syncthing, I've got a folder shared between my phone, laptop and media center, and it just syncs everything easily.
Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use
#60I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…
For your specific use case of photos, Immich is the front runner and a much better experience. Sadly for the general Dropbox replacement I haven't found anything either.
Have you looked into https://filebrowser.org/? While it's not drop-in replacement for Google Drive/Dropbox, it has been serving me well for similar quick usecase.