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Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by School-Cotton »

yongjik wrote: post #117
sigio wrote: post #93

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I feel your pain, looking at 'The Netherlands', 'Netherlands/Nederland', Holland, and even once 'Kingdom of The Netherlands'

Greetings from Korea, aka South Korea, aka Republic of Korea.

I’ve noticed that South Koreans often use the term “Korea” to refer to their country, and I’ve always been curious: are they referring to all of Korea, or only the south?

For example, which of these statements would you be more likely to use colloquially?

(a) Korea’s population is about 80 million, or (b) Korea’s population is about 50 million.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by School-Cotton »

Yizahi wrote: post #94
miroljub wrote: post #39

Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

Funnily, the actual pronunciation is easier now, and it (to me) sounds 99% close to Turkia. I don't get why they went with such complicated letter sequence for such a straightforward word. Though both languages are not native to me, so I may be wrong. But I was baffled this year, after discovering that incomprehensible Türkiye is actually Turkia. PS: I'm going from this this video as a basis: https://www.youtube.com/…

Türkiye in Turkish contains sounds that can’t be pronounced in English, and does not sound much like “Turkia”. The closest English approximate pronunciation (which is what you hear in that video) does sound pretty close to Turkia, though.

> I don't get why they went with such complicated letter sequence for such a straightforward word.

The spelling wasn’t invented recently, it’s just the standard word for Turkey in the Turkish language.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by yongjik »

School-Cotton wrote: post #121
yongjik wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greetings from Korea, aka South Korea, aka Republic of Korea.

I’ve noticed that South Koreans often use the term “Korea” to refer to their country, and I’ve always been curious: are they referring to all of Korea, or only the south? For example, which of these statements would you be more likely to use colloquially? (a) Korea’s population is about 80 million, or (b) Korea’s population is about 50 million.

The term could refer to either South Korea or Korea as a whole, depending on the context. As for your example, I think people would agree with (b) because when you're talking about populations people implicitly assume we're talking about a country.

On the other hand, people say "Korea's history reaches back thousands of years," and obviously here "Korea" means Korea as a whole (the country of South Korea wasn't founded until 1948!).

It gets extra confusing for Koreans because North Koreans use a different Korean word for "Korea" (either North Korea or Korea as a whole) - they are from two different historical names. So we can't even agree on how to call ourselves. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by School-Cotton »

yongjik wrote: post #123
School-Cotton wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve noticed that South Koreans often use the term “Korea” to refer to their country, and I’ve always been curious: are they referring to all of Korea, or only the south? For example, which of these statements would you be more likely to use colloquially? (a) Korea’s population is about 80 million, or (b) Korea’s population is about 50 million.

The term could refer to either South Korea or Korea as a whole, depending on the context. As for your example, I think people would agree with (b) because when you're talking about populations people implicitly assume we're talking about a country. On the other hand, people say "Korea's history reaches back thousands of years," and obviously here "Korea" means Korea as a whole (the country of South Korea wasn't found…

Thanks for the explanation!

> I think people would agree with (b) because when you're talking about populations people implicitly assume we're talking about a country.

Yeah, that makes sense, but the confusing part for me is that, at least if my understanding is correct, the South Korean government doesn’t legally recognize the partition of Korea. So they think all those 80 million people are rightfully citizens of their country (that is, the Republic of Korea), even though 30 million are temporarily subject to an illegitimate regime. But I’m not sure if people actually think like this in practice.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by stackedinserter »

furkansahin wrote: post #103
stackedinserter wrote: post #101

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Allies are those who fight together. The ones who are like "man, fight alone and we'll mock you for military spending" - are not. The ones who are like "yo we kinda support you in a fight, but we'll also pump money into your enemy" - are not either. But I sorta agree to your point, current administration screw up their allies really hard, although I see it more like very bitter pill that hurts before healing. BTW I'm…

I don’t see the USA fighting together with Turkey in any area tbh. Turkey handled the Syria situation single handedly while getting blocked on F35 deals. From this side of the ocean, it looks like the bad brother has been the USA, not the other way around. Saying that, I hate our administration, too…

It was blocked from F35's because of their deal with Russia on S400's. WTF really, why would NATO country run their military on equipment of their main adversary?

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

husav1k wrote: post #110
BeFlatXIII wrote: post #74

…and we (USA) didn't give the Kurds their deserved autonomous nation as thanks for their help in Iraq to avoid pissing off the Turks.

Is the land yours to give?

Arguably, the northern parts of Iraq, where the Kurds live, was ours to partition after Saddam Hussein’s fall. But Turkey doesn’t want a Kurdish state on their border, and the US wants good graces with Turkey for their anti-Russian missile silos.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by mr_toad »

notherhack wrote: post #70
engcoach wrote: post #20

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Rare earths are vital for military equipment. This action is coming from a country that NATO has trusted with its best technology and they continue to flirt with both Russia and China, NATO's primary threats.

"Trusted with its best technology" No. The US kicked NATO member Türkiye out of the F-35 program and denied them F-16 upgrades for a long time[1]. And the EU has denied Türkiye membership supposedly because they're not fully part of Europe (among other issues) while courting Georgia which is farther east. Türkiye is treated as a frenemy by the west. Good on them for making their own way. [1] https://balkaneu.com/turk…

> among other issues

Those words are doing some heavy lifting. The EU cares more about their commitment to democracy, and their dubious economic policies. The last thing the EU needs is another Hungary.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by saghm »

mr_toad wrote: post #127
notherhack wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Trusted with its best technology" No. The US kicked NATO member Türkiye out of the F-35 program and denied them F-16 upgrades for a long time[1]. And the EU has denied Türkiye membership supposedly because they're not fully part of Europe (among other issues) while courting Georgia which is farther east. Türkiye is treated as a frenemy by the west. Good on them for making their own way. [1] https://balkaneu.com/turk…

> among other issues Those words are doing some heavy lifting. The EU cares more about their commitment to democracy, and their dubious economic policies. The last thing the EU needs is another Hungary.

My instinct is that there are a lot of a potentially good reasons not to let them into the EU, and maybe even ones for kicking them out of NATO, but "they want to sell their minerals to other countries" doesn't strike me as a reasonable gripe in terms of NATO at least.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by rayiner »

husav1k wrote: post #112
rayiner wrote: post #35

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It's exceptional because it was primarily the coastal nations' race to capture free land, and benefit from that for hundreds of years, not because they're intrinsically superior as a collective. US had a chance to develop fast far away from wars, and they managed it. Other nations can't do anything about it, just like workers can't do much about capital owners keeping them _down_. Doesn't mean that they don't have an…

Then why wasn’t there a technologically advanced civilization in north america when the british settlers got here? Clearly geography isn’t the reason.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by ta9000 »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #116
ta9000 wrote: post #69

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Good luck with the Yuan.

Bilateral currency agreements are already in place between dozens of countries. The renminbi is just one of them. USAians may not like it, so downvote away.

On the contrary, I look forward to my tax dollars not going to play team America world police. Let someone else burn their young and money for a while.
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