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Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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What kind of authority do they have over my language?

I don't understand why so many people are so quick to interpret things as some kind of boot on their neck. The official names of places change - they're proper nouns. Nobody is invoking authority to control how you write the names of places.

To be fair, Erdogen is a literal boots-on-neck dictator and this entire spectacle is just another distraction / demonstration of political capita he is using to cling to power.

Nor does it even make sense. All languages have names for countries, that are not the true names of those countries. Its normal. Especially when Turkey's desired diacritics can't even be typed on our keyboards. Is it reasonable for Israel to say we must type the name with Hebrew characters? And suddenly we have to guess WTF news agencies are talking about.

The point of languages is to be understood, this is making it harder to understand to appease some authoritarian loser.

If Turkey were offensive, that's one thing. But it's not and there's no reason for it.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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It's exceptional because it was primarily the coastal nations' race to capture free land, and benefit from that for hundreds of years, not because they're intrinsically superior as a collective. US had a chance to develop fast far away from wars, and they managed it. Other nations can't do anything about it, just like workers can't do much about capital owners keeping them _down_. Doesn't mean that they don't have any right to stand up for themselves.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Yeah how dare the US maintain maritime security across the world, pay for an outsized share of security, and give more aid than any other country on earth bringing unprecedented prosperity to the world bringing billions out of poverty. US should have sat back and let the communists win, that turned out so good.

Whatever US is securing, is directly tied to its own growth machine. Let's not overlook the fact that US has been funding right-of-center, often far-right, politics overseas for decades, and aiding THOSE governments. Covertly preventing progressive movements worldwide doesn't seem as benevolent to me as you portrait it to be.

Numerous civilizations in history brought then-unprecedented prosperity to humanity. At the end of the day, nations that they oppressed under the name of being the big brother, rose against them. How dare they, right?

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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> I don't speak Turkish either, but it takes all of two minutes to look up and learn the pronunciation I really doubt that you are pronouncing it correctly. The word Türkiye contains multiple sounds that don't exist in English. If you don't actually speak Turkish, you are surely just using some Anglicized approximate pronunciation, and in that case, why not just use the actual English word?

You do know that you can learn to make new sounds with your mouth, tongue and vocal chords right? You are aware that just because a particular language does not use a phoneme that does not eliminate your ability to reproduce it? I have a lot of fun learning how to make sounds and pronounce things properly from different languages, my latest being Danish, which is proving difficult but certainly far from impossible. P…

> You do know that you can learn to make new sounds with your mouth, tongue and vocal chords right?

Of course. I speak French at a pretty high level (the accent has gotten worse from disuse but in 2007 most people in France couldn't tell I was foreign); nevertheless, when I say "France" (while speaking English), I pronounce it the American way, not the French way, because switching to a different language for one word in your sentence would sound silly.

And that gets to why the purported Türkiye change bothers me: it's not even really a different name; it's pretty much the same name, only pronounced and spelled in Turkish rather than in English. Most name changes are done for some more serious purpose, like to resolve a genuinely important political dispute (in the case of Macedonia becoming North Macedonia), to make the name better fit English place naming conventions and actually be easier to say in English (Czech Republic to Czechia), to assert independence by discarding a foreign name imposed by former colonial masters (Swaziland to Eswatini), or to switch away from a totally different name in a foreign language used by the people who used to live there centuries ago (Constantinople to Istanbul). Or they happened long enough ago that the new name is established and I can't muster the energy to resist it now (Burma to Myanmar).

None of these reasons apply to Turkey; the purported name change is just a demand that everybody start using Turkish sounds and letters for the same name. Given the ideology of the person calling for this change (Erdogan), I can only conclude that it's entirely driven by a puerile sense of nationalism: "let's prove how strong we are by forcing everyone to use our language, if only for this one word!" It sounds ridiculous when put that way, but Erdogan is indeed a ridiculous person.

> The only thing you do by continuing to argue against that point is push your own Anglicize-all-the-things notion of the world, which is certainly not shared by all, not even remotely.

Well, it doesn't really have to do specifically with anglicization. English-speakers should continue calling it Turkey, French-speakers Turquie, German-speakers die Türkei, and so on.

Edit: to be clear, if I ever meet a real Turkish person who actually cares about this, I'll probably call it whatever they prefer, at least around them, out of politeness. But this has yet to happen. Every Turkish person I know still just calls it Turkey in English.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

As a Turkish person I used to agree with you. Not anymore. My people don't want to be associated with an ugly bird and I respect that. Also we don't want an exception. We're ready to use Bharat, Deutschland or any other name in our language if those nations want that. Same for the city names. It's about respecting those countries and their people. Fun fact: India is Hindistan in Turkish which literally means Land of…

Funny… turkeys (the bird) are called “dinde” in French, which means “from India” and is short for “poule d’Inde”: chicken from India.

Guinea pigs are called “cochon d’Inde” which means “pig from India”. In fact they are neither from India nor Guinea.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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That will come to an end in due course when the world moves away from the dollar. It's already started, will take a few more years.

Good luck with the Yuan.

Bilateral currency agreements are already in place between dozens of countries. The renminbi is just one of them.

USAians may not like it, so downvote away.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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This reminds me of my own struggles in locating my country in various dropdowns. Sometimes it‘s the trivial to find Austria, but sometimes Österreich under O and other times Österreich under Ö (sorted to the very bottom). Collation is fun!

I feel your pain, looking at 'The Netherlands', 'Netherlands/Nederland', Holland, and even once 'Kingdom of The Netherlands'

Greetings from Korea, aka South Korea, aka Republic of Korea.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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"Following an official letter submitted to the United Nations by the Republic of Türkiye, the country's name has been officially changed to Türkiye at the UN. UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said that a letter had been received on June 1 from the Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Cavuşoğlu addressed to Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, requesting the use of “Türkiye” instead of “Turkey” for all affairs." [1] "Foreign…

So what? The UN does not have the power to redefine what words mean in the English language, and neither does the Republic of Turkey. If Germany submitted an official letter somewhere purporting to change its English name to Deutschland, you should also not listen to them.

You are free to use their old name, and others are free to use their new name.

You could even make up a name if you want.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Because they want to be known as Türkiye and have been actively requesting. The United Nations officially agreed to recognize the country's new name in 2022.

The UN does not have the power to determine how the English language is spoken and written.

No entity has that power, but that was not the question.

The question was not who enforces country names, but instead, why major news publications are using the name Türkiye.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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The diacritics are a bit annoying to type but if they've asked to be called Turkiye why not call them Turkiye?

What kind of authority do they have over my language?

They have no authority over the English language.

They do have the right to request a specific name when used in an organization in which they are a part.

You are free to use whatever name you want, while those in the UN, and organizations that cover the UN, will use the name Türkiye.

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