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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by chaostheory »

magicalhippo wrote: post #114
chaostheory wrote: post #41

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Sure, but what people leave out is that it’s mostly C and assembly. That just isn’t realistic anymore if you want a better developer experience that leads to faster feature rollout, better security, and better stabilty. This is like when people reminisce about the performance of windows 95 and its apps while forgetting about getting a blue screen of death every other hour.

Windows 2000 was quite snappy on my Pentium 150, and pretty rock solid. It was when I stopped being good at fixing computers because it just worked, so I didn't get much practice.

Win2000 is in the same class as Win95 despite being slightly more stable. It still locked up and crashed more frequently than modern software.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by rahkiin »

INTPenis wrote: post #132
dingdingdang wrote: post #54

Having at some point maintained a soft fork / patch-set for Nextcloud.. yes, there is so much performance left on the table. With a few basic patches the file manager, for example, sped up by magnitudes in terms of render speed. The issue remains that the core itself feels like layers upon layers of encrusted code that instead of being fixed have just had another layer added ... "something fundamental wrong? Just add…

This is my theory as well. NC has grown gradually in silos almost, every piece of it is some plugin they've imported from contributions at some point. For example the reason there's no cohesiveness with a common websocket bus for all those ajax calls is because they all started out as a separate plugin. NC has gone full modularity and lost performance for it. What we need is a more focused and cohesive tool for docum…

This still needs cohesive authorization and central file sharing and access rules across apps. And some central concept of projects to move all content away from people and into the org and roles

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by stavros »

palata wrote: post #27

I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…

For photos, you can't beat Immich.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by palata »

Larrikin wrote: post #39
palata wrote: post #27

I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…

For your specific use case of photos, Immich is the front runner and a much better experience. Sadly for the general Dropbox replacement I haven't found anything either.

Does its iOS/Android app automatically backup the photos in the background? When I looked into Immich (didn't try it) it sounded like it was more of a server thing. I need the automation so that my family can forget about it.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by palata »

guilamu wrote: post #49
Larrikin wrote: post #39

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For your specific use case of photos, Immich is the front runner and a much better experience. Sadly for the general Dropbox replacement I haven't found anything either.

I'd say Ente-photo is at least as good if not better than Immich. https://github.com/ente-io/ente

Does it have a mobile app that backs up the photos while in the background and can essentially be "forgotten"? That's pretty much what I need for my family: their photos need to get to my server magically.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by the_pwner224 »

troyvit wrote: post #84
63stack wrote: post #64

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Look into syncthing for a dropbox replacement, have been using it for years, very satisfied.

Syncthing is under my "want to like" list but I gave up on it. I'm a one person show who just wants to sync a few dozen markdown files across a few laptops and a phone. Every time I'd run it I'd invariably end up with conflict files. It got to the point where I was spending more time merging diffs than writing. How it could do that with just one person running it I have no idea.

My Syncthing experience matches Oxodao's. Over years with >10k files / 100 gb, I've only ever had conflicts when I actually made conflicting simultaneous changes.

I use it on my phone (configured to only sync on WiFi), laptop (connected 99% of the time), and server (up 100% of the time).

The always-up server/laptop as a "master node" are probably key.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by oompydoompy74 »

Semaphor wrote: post #65
nucleardog wrote: post #62

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> Sadly for the general Dropbox replacement I haven't found anything either. I had really good luck with Seafile[0]. It's not a full groupware solution, just primarily a really good file syncing/Dropbox solution. Upsides are everything worked reliably for me, it was much faster, does chunk-level deduplication and some other things, has native apps for everything, is supported by rclone, has a fuse mount option, suppo…

Yeah, went with that as well. It’s blazingly fast compared to NC.

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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

zdragnar wrote: post #46
robin_reala wrote: post #24

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The complete Doom 2, including all graphics, maps, music and sound effects, shipped on 4 floppies, totalling 5.76MB.

The original Doom 2 ran 64,000 pixels (320x200). 4k UHD monitors now show 8.3 million pixels. YMMV. Of course, Doom 2 is full of Carmack shenanigans to squeeze every possible ounce of performance out of every byte, written in hand optimized C and assembly. Nextcloud is delivered in UTF-8 text, in a high level scripting language, entirely unoptimized with lots of low hanging fruit for improvement.

You know apps don't store pixels, right? So why are you counting pixels?

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by TuningYourCode »

cbondurant wrote: post #103
johnsea wrote: post #80

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This is not an alternative as it only covers files. Mind what is in the article: "I like what Nextcloud offers with its feature set and how easily it replaces a bunch of services under one roof (files, calendar, contacts, notes, to-do lists, photos etc.), but ". For us Nextcloud AIO is the best thing under the sun. It works reasonably well for our small company (about 10 ppl) and saves us from Microsoft. I'm very gra…

It makes perfect sense to me that nextcloud is a good fit for a small company. My biggest gripe with having used it for far longer than I should have was always that it expected far too much maintenance (4 month release cadence) to make sense for individual use. Doing that kind of regular upkeep on a tool meant for a whole team of people is a far more reasonable cost-benefit analysis. Especially since it only needs o…

Hetzner‘s storage share product line offers a managed Nextcloud instance. I‘m using them as I didn‘t want to care about updating it myself.

The only downside is you can‘t use apps/plugins which require additional local tools (e.g. ocrmypdf) but others can be used just fine.

Calling remotely hosted services works (e.g. if you have elasticsearch on an vps and setup the Nextcloud fulltext search app accordingly)

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