this is great news and I wonder if and how this has impact on other European deployments
We're preferring ignorance to knowledge here because we don't trust the government. Which is weird.
No, we're preferring privacy to pervasive surveillance.
Czech police forced to turn off facial recognition cameras at the Prague airport
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Re: Czech police forced to turn off facial recognition cameras at the Prague airport
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Prefering government ignorance is the same as privacy.
Privacy would mean being able to fly anywhere without showing ID - which is not reality.
Please post the full street address of your home, your office, your favorite grocery store, and your top ten gas stations.
Have you traveled outside the country? Please share with everyone on HN the exact date and times, the street address where you stayed and the phone number of someone who can corroborate.
Can you think of any reason that this information shouldn't be shared publicly? Maybe post your phone number and we'll chat about it.
Re: Czech police forced to turn off facial recognition cameras at the Prague airport
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not just the government. Generally I think knowledge is very important, but as with any important value it butts up against other rights and values. In this case, the individual right to privacy ought to win out against a company or government's or neighbor's right to knowledge. Privacy, like speech, is one of those critically important rights that when violated en masse leads to catastrophic harm; in privacy's…
Is being in an airport actually considered private? It's a public space, and you must show ID to gain access to the secured area. Additionally, you are subjected to baggage and carry-on inspection, as well as body inspection and metal detection, etc. There are cameras everywhere, monitoring and recording everything. Presumably this system was designed to recognize individuals that may be traveling under false-identit…
> Additionally, you are subjected to baggage and carry-on inspection, as well as body inspection and metal detection, etc. There are cameras everywhere, monitoring and recording everything
Well, yeah, all of that presents a privacy problem. Automation is taking it a step further, but if I had my way boarding a plane would be like boarding a train or bus. I could concede a fast-moving checkpoint that does some best-effort scanning for firearms and blades or whatever as people walk through a gate, provided the data is verifiably shredded as soon as scanning is complete. This safety paranoia is not borne of genuine danger. People walk into more crowded and critical areas than planes with firearms all the time in the US. The only thing stopping frequent mass-casualty deaths is that most people don't want to kill a ton of other people indiscriminately, not the TSA.
Securing the cockpit doors on planes is a good idea though.
Re: Czech police forced to turn off facial recognition cameras at the Prague airport
#24I assumed that every airport does it as a matter of policy. A border guard in the UK told me the reason they don't bother checking your passport when you leave is because they check your face on camera. In this case it seems like a legitimate use of facial recognition: catching criminals. The story is of interest to me because i've been through the airport many times. I guess they have a picture of me. ot but in many…
Last time I came into the USA from Europe they never checked my passport. They know who is on each arriving flight and match faces to passport records.
I thought that’s Global Entry which requires going through an in person interview process and paying an application fee (if I remember correctly)?
Re: Czech police forced to turn off facial recognition cameras at the Prague airport
#25It's interesting how we can all have such opposit judgments while sharing roughly the same education/experiences, and that it usually falls into a 50/50 share.
I think an automated system to identify criminals in the most likely 'points of exit' is quite remarkable.
I know that throughout history government have not really been so gentle, but that's an anoher topic -we get the governments we deserve.
On the other hand, it would be nice to have something in return, like no more check-ins or something, and for the love of all that is love, maybe lessen this silly security check - take off my shoes? check my bag with a $50000 mass spectrometer to see if if there is powder? have any of these machine ever detected something anywhere in the world? How about less hypocrisy and tell us about that super elastic relation between 'time spent' and '$ spent" is?
I disgressed, but that's what annoys me, that a place where people are arbitrarly prohibited from bringing water, has criminally-inflated prices for a bottle of water -even if I'v been blessed so that I have them for free in the lounge.
That's what I think is a problem. Not cameras.
Re: Czech police forced to turn off facial recognition cameras at the Prague airport
#26It's interesting how we can all have such opposit judgments while sharing roughly the same education/experiences, and that it usually falls into a 50/50 share. I think an automated system to identify criminals in the most likely 'points of exit' is quite remarkable. I know that throughout history government have not really been so gentle, but that's an anoher topic -we get the governments we deserve. On the other han…
I travelled from Australia to Malaysia to Canada (with a stopover in Dubai), and all the time I had 2 1/2 bottles of water (probably 1.5 litres) in my carry-on bag that I had forgotten. Something about a 46-hour journey, perhaps.
I went through 8 security gates, and no one ever stopped or questioned me about the water. And when I found it at my destination, I threw it out.
Re: Czech police forced to turn off facial recognition cameras at the Prague airport
#27It's interesting how we can all have such opposit judgments while sharing roughly the same education/experiences, and that it usually falls into a 50/50 share. I think an automated system to identify criminals in the most likely 'points of exit' is quite remarkable. I know that throughout history government have not really been so gentle, but that's an anoher topic -we get the governments we deserve. On the other han…
I travelled from Australia to Malaysia to Canada (with a stopover in Dubai), and all the time I had 2 1/2 bottles of water (probably 1.5 litres) in my carry-on bag that I had forgotten. Something about a 46-hour journey, perhaps. I went through 8 security gates, and no one ever stopped or questioned me about the water. And when I found it at my destination, I threw it out.
Airports in UK have started lifting the fluid limits, the new X-ray machines are much better at determining the contents.
So as airports upgrade those rules may finally be getting obsoleted.
Re: Czech police forced to turn off facial recognition cameras at the Prague airport
#28It's interesting how we can all have such opposit judgments while sharing roughly the same education/experiences, and that it usually falls into a 50/50 share. I think an automated system to identify criminals in the most likely 'points of exit' is quite remarkable. I know that throughout history government have not really been so gentle, but that's an anoher topic -we get the governments we deserve. On the other han…
I travelled from Australia to Malaysia to Canada (with a stopover in Dubai), and all the time I had 2 1/2 bottles of water (probably 1.5 litres) in my carry-on bag that I had forgotten. Something about a 46-hour journey, perhaps. I went through 8 security gates, and no one ever stopped or questioned me about the water. And when I found it at my destination, I threw it out.
Glad to see so many airports focusing on real threats instead of security theatre!
Re: Czech police forced to turn off facial recognition cameras at the Prague airport
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Privacy would mean being able to fly anywhere without showing ID - which is not reality.
In the 70's, way before any internet databases and real-time data aggregation & automated analysis, you had to show ID to buy beer. So what? What do you suppose that proves or justifies or excuses? The ID served a valid purpose of controlling who had access to beer, yet did not track anyone's movements or habits or compile a profile on them or associate them with others into cohorts or allow anyone to presume to make…
When you go through airport security, they scan your license. They're already doing everything people in this thread fear... stopping facial recognition doesn't change a thing expect let people with false identities through. It literally changes nothing... They already are keeping tabs on who you are, where you are coming from, and where you're going. Cohort analysis is already done via group ticket buys, and camera monitoring.
This literally changes nothing.
Re: Czech police forced to turn off facial recognition cameras at the Prague airport
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Privacy would mean being able to fly anywhere without showing ID - which is not reality.
Please post the full street address of your home, your office, your favorite grocery store, and your top ten gas stations. Have you traveled outside the country? Please share with everyone on HN the exact date and times, the street address where you stayed and the phone number of someone who can corroborate. Can you think of any reason that this information shouldn't be shared publicly? Maybe post your phone number a…
We're taking about an airport... They know everything you just listed, and likely more. What an absolutely absurd argument.