I just wonder if it has the three laws builtin.
I just hope they didn't install the evil red eyes at the factory. I often wonder why they do that with robots in films - it's just asking for trouble.
1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order
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#162I feel like they should target commercial applications first before worrying about trying to get into people's homes.
It would seem like the ideal target for this would be say a hotel operator. A team of these could clean a large number of rooms on an unoccupied floor of a hotel at once. Even if this was tele-operated remotely, this seems like it could be particularly beneficial for hotels in remote locations where its harder to hire people locally.
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#163> For any chore it doesn’t know, you can schedule a 1X Expert to guide it, helping NEO learn while getting the job done. Is this a humanoid robot that's controlled by someone in a call center remotely doing your laundry? Putting aside ethical reservations about how much they are probably paying per task, that feels like wash and fold with extra steps.
This feels like the only issue is ethical. Presumably, this is a way to collect diverse training data for the robot to be trained on. Wash and fold as a service is valuable (to some people), and presumable the “extra steps” are offset with the in-home aspect of this. Meanwhile, the ethical considerations are huge. Laborers are literally training their replacement, and probably at questionable wages. They’re also expl…
$25-35/hr for the evening shift it seems. Not starvation wages by any means, but certainly not great (or even good) pay for that area.
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#164Maybe a very unpopular opinion, but if you have money to spend on that fad, you are a new level of douche. Take that money and sponsor some open source projects or gift it to charities. If you can’t be arsed to put a plate into a dishwasher you got a level of problem that is so removed from actual problems that it’s weird.
That is even disregarding the privacy implications of a robot that walks around the house with a fucking camera attached to its noggins. If anyone thinks that the camera is only there for the job and kit collecting data is fooling themselves. Because I will bet my ass that that’s how the company actually makes money from investors.
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#165Surely the overlap between people with both the wealth and the preference for industrial machinery remote controlled by an underpaid worker from the Philippines in their house (around their children) over an organic house keeper is vanishingly thin, no? The total addressable market for giant fighting robots on the other hand...
I cannot legally get a Philippine worker in my house at a price I could afford. Well I haven't checked on the exact immigration rules, but I don't have to bother to tell you that I can't get one that is enough underpaid that I could afford one. There evidence that elsewhere in the world people with similar wealth to mine have them, but they are not available in the US. I don't care who does the work so long as I can…
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#166So, like a large scale scam to get your "downpayment" ? How would remote human operators scale, especially for the $20k "ownership" model? I presume the actual hardware probably costs them at least $10k to make, so after about 400 hours of "remote operator use", it's all loss on the company? I suspect they have a limit on use, or a pay-to-use-remotely thing they neglected to announce.
Technically I think there will be additions in costs, so the remote training tasks will probably cost money.
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#167Ok, forget the remote operator and AI and all that, is it possible to buy something even remotely like this that works reasonably well that I can control???
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#168> For any chore it doesn’t know, you can schedule a 1X Expert to guide it, helping NEO learn while getting the job done. Is this a humanoid robot that's controlled by someone in a call center remotely doing your laundry? Putting aside ethical reservations about how much they are probably paying per task, that feels like wash and fold with extra steps.
mechanical turk. fake it till ya make it.
The more modern approach is fake it until a liquidity event.
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#169Review of 1X Neo by the WSJ: https://youtu.be/f3c4mQty_so?si=pkdj9q5ieoj7pzPc
“Review”
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Add on top of that the latency of the operator's equipment and the latency of the robot itself, and tasks like putting dishes in the dishwasher could get quite challenging
Considering what type of sensors that would need to be are already on these robots, would it not be possible to teleoperate within VR? So the motion and control can be more fulid but there is a lag before it is applied to real robot. Like how mosh[0] works. [0] https://mosh.org
It i possible to have a digital twin which simulates the real physics of the robot and gives instant feedback based on that. It might help a bit to make the teleoperator work within the capabilities of the robot, be more in sync.
But is peobsbly not realistic to simulate the real world physics faithfully, in such a way that operators can use it as actual feedback. Especially in sensitive scenarios like grabbing a glass, there are tipping points (sometimes literal), where a few millimeters and 100 milliseconds is the difference between close call and full smash.
Thinking about it now, if one would deliberately add much more latency (a few seconds), it might be possible to use real-world simulation as aid. At least for operations which can be decomposed into sequences of transitions between stable/safe states. Say moving dishes from dishwasher to cupboard. Picking up is critical, but holding in hand is (presumably) safe, placing in cupboard critical, once placed it is safe. Then one could let teleoperator do the entire critical move virtually, act it out in simulator only. See what the outcome is. If high risk of failure, deny operation. If good chance of success (per simulation) can allow to execute in the real world. More autonomous operation will need ability to simulate actions, project alternative approaches into the future, and a world model strong enough that can also plan and execute based on it. So there are potential synergies in a full-teleop, to hybrid teleop to autonomy transition. Note, this approach would also assume the relevant environment to be static. So it would not help handle the pet or toddler...