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EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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This is like saying German is an official language of Italy. It is officially recognized in specific bilingual provinces, not nation-wide.

I dunno about the situation with the languages of Italy, from a cursory glance at Wikipedia it seems a _lot_ more complicated than Frysian/Dutch in NL, so I really don't think it's anything "like saying" that. But "official" means exactly what it means, and when I'm saying "Frysian is an official language of the Netherlands", it means that it's recognized as an official language of Netherlands, by the Dutch governmen…

It's not really that difficult, an official language OF a country is recognized at a national level. Thus all official government communication must be issued in that language. In the Netherlands, only Dutch has that level of recognition. Same in Italy for Italian

Then there are other, regionally-rocognized language that local governments use alongside the national one (West Frysian in Friesland, German in South Tyrol, etc.), and may even enjoy a majority of speakers within those regions, but they are not "an official language OF" the wider country.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Go back and tell the founding fathers of america that. Not everyone in america was english speakers.

No, but everyone in the US was made, practically and in some ways officially, to become an english speaker.

I think English was not set as an official language since... Trump?

It was the de facto language, but not the official language. What was baffling.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Wow this site, logo and everything is so ugly. But the FAX styled photos fits well to Europe's deficit.

What deficit?

Confident politics and military, meaningful future proof investments, innovation in modern tech areas like CPU/GPU, AI, EV, Mobiles, etc. there is a lot.

What else, hmmm... Ohhh yes digitization, we "Germans" still can't let our FAXing machines go.

What we are good at, outsourcing and riding into deeper dependency of other continents.

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I asked a Finnish person how good an answer about the language example from ChatGPT was. It turned out to be a hallucination, a confidently sounding nonsense. The quality of internet trained models degrade very fast with language material size

I live in Finland, ChatGPT is great at Finnish and far better at it than EuroLLM. EuroLLM doesn't even beat the open source Gemma 2, and Gemma 3 is already out.

Maybe things have improved since that time (about a year ago). But my question was along the lines of "is it true that in Finnish this word means that?" and ChatGPT promptly confirmed with nonsense

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It doesn't matter if government funded startups have been successful. It's not the government's job to provide capital to high risk ventures. They should provide public services for the people and regulate the private sector according to the interest of the people.

Well, depends on your definition of high risk. Basic research is definitely high risk, in that return for investment may happen generations from now if ever. I'd argue that funding of basic research through universities etc. is part of government's job.

And funding for basic research should be made so that the results belong to the public, for example through universities as you mentioned. Not through private startups.

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Part of the issue some people take with Ulster-Scots is that the current official 21st century literature doesn't read anything like the historic literature, which English speakers can easily read and understand. It's often made up of slang terms and archaic spelling, in an attempt to be as different as possible to English. Native speakers have complained that official documents and signage in Ulster-Scots are incomp…

> the current official 21st century literature doesn't read anything like the historic literature Does modern English read like historical English? > Native speakers have complained that official documents and signage in Ulster-Scots are incomprehensible to them. Sure, there are tonnes of issues with the "officialisation" of any language but the fact that there are "native speakers" involved in the debate strongly su…

My comments are entirely aside from the dialect vs. language argument as a miniscule minority care about Ulster Scots in NI as a language in its own right - comparative even to say Cant or Shelta - versus the usual Stormont tomfoolery like 'cash for ash' scandals.

Simply put, Ulster Scots prominence in legislation is merely a reflection of bad-faith political negotiations by Unionists to degrade the status of the Irish Language Act by proxy. Anyone on the ground knows it for the dog-whistle that it is, used simply to curry favour with a particularly sectarian unionist base in as a counter to the Irish Language provisions outlined and agreed to in the Good Friday Agreement.

And that's 'curry favour' - not 'curry my yoghurt' by the way. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-29895593

This has more or less been the case ever since the forced Ulster plantations lead to the development of Ulster Scots as a defined community with resilient Protestant and unionist ties. It'd be far more credible if Fingal tried to secede from Dublin and the Republic tomorrow morning using Yola as a justification.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yola_dialect

In short, the ILA and promotion of Gaeilge in the north is about trying to make some small reparation at a state level for a cultural genocide perpetrated by our Colonists, and to help re-establish the oldest written vernacular language in western Europe, dating back over 2,500 years.

The promotion of Ulster Scots however... well the Commissioner is literally called 'Commissioner for Ulster Scots and Ulster British Tradition'. This is after DUP members removed themselves from the equality and good relations group after basically fillibustering for 5 years of discussions on bi-lingual signs to force a stalemate.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-stor...

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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> When you talk to most EU business owners, even in tech, the limiting factor isn't regulations. I have a tech startup in Estonia and I agree. To me the biggest limiting factor is lack of funding.

Yep, VCs don't exist here. Plus the absurd starting costs, it's like what, 20k to set up a GmbH?

You just need to pay 60€ or so for a business license and off you go. A GmbH (a corporate structure with limited liability, somewhere between an LLC and Corp) is not needed if you want to start a) now and b) for almost zero cost.

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> Considering the much smaller size of the countries (biggest one is 70 million vs 330 million in the US), the opportunity for "unlimited" growth is limited. If you manage to get 10 million customers, your business is already successful on a gigantic scale, and you should have all the know-how in taking on the world. The success of other people is rarely the reason why you are failing in your own life. Start somewher…

> Europe money is only thrown to real estate owners and any enterprising people with a dream are cordially invited to fucking forget about it, shut up, and fall back in line. That's simply not true. Europe is a continent that includes startup powerhouse Sweden, UK that has a ton of them too, and France that is making massive strides (just check out Station F). It might be true in Slovakia or whatever, but you simply…

Nations like Sweden and the UK might have a healthy startup scene despite not getting good help from banks and other capital institutions.

Go search the web for startup financing in Sweden. One of the big banks has a page dedicated to this - but they're not offering their own money, instead they're pointing to government grants and government lending programs.

> If the barrier to entry to get money thrown at you is so low, a lot of it gets wasted. So the rest really really has to make it big

You can't do your accounting like that. One entity does not make up for the losses of another entity. Money is cheap in the US and thrown around to bad startups and good startups. In Europe money is expensive and mostly available to governments or for real estate feudalism.

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And that's probably one of the big obstacles in the EU: there's no common ground for these things. At least this will hopefully be addressed: https://www.reuters.com/business/eu-propose-uniform-rules-st...

So what? There's no common ground in the US either, and it's not an issue there.

The ground is significantly more common than in the EU.

And that's just one of the problems (many of the problems have nothing to do with European bureaucracy)

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Who in their right mind would use this?

I'd use a model trained on a targeted and curated data set over one trained on all the crap on the internet any day.

We are talking about government-curated data here, the bias should be obvious. Popular LLMs still have huge bias problems but it would be way worse with only government-curated data.
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